Homophobia

[CPancer]

I used to call my gay mate a fag all the time and he'd just call me a straight bastard and wack me on the arm. Some people just seem to realise that calling someone a name as a joke is completely fine...so long as the other person knows perfectly well that you're joking. I completely agree with Ohri...it's just a word that can mean 2 completely different things based on the situation.

Sorry if I've spoken crap...I haven't read through all 9 pages :$

I used to call my gay mate a fag all the time and he'd just call me a straight bastard and wack me on the arm. Some people just seem to realise that calling someone a name as a joke is completely fine...so long as the other person knows perfectly well that you're joking. I completely agree with Ohri...it's just a word that can mean 2 completely different things based on the situation.

Sorry if I've spoken crap...I haven't read through all 9 pages :$

Well it either means an offensive word to describe a homosexual or a cigarette. I know where you're going with this but a joke doesn't make it acceptable if you're using "faggot" or other sexist & racial words to attack someone whether you mean it or not, and it's too unrealistic to use it's other definition as an advantage to defend yourself around someone who hears you or is said to. You deem it acceptable when you're saying it to someone who finds no offense to it, but that's between you and your friend(s). I just hope you don't joke like that in public, at least karma won't come knocking on your door anytime soon that way.

 

[greenyxi]

Well it either means an offensive word to describe a homosexual or a cigarette. I know where you're going with this but a joke doesn't make it acceptable if you're using "faggot" or other sexist & racial words to attack someone whether you mean it or not. You deem it acceptable when you're saying it to someone who finds no offense to it, but that's between you and your friend(s). I just hope you don't joke like that in public, at least karma won't come knocking on your door anytime soon that way.

Well I call him a fag in public, 'cause we both know about it, but no I wouldn't say it to a stranger. Even if I don't believe it's a harmful word in any situation that I would use it in

 

[CassinoChips]

First of all, saying "faggot" or "fag" isn't anywhere close to being on the same level as saying "N*****" if someone is using either as an insult. (I can't believe we can't type out a word that originally meant a color in Latin )

One word is a derogatory term used to describe a subset of the population that has been discriminated against for the vast majority of its existence on this continent, while often being shouted at victims of violence who were, often literally, hunted down, beaten within an inch of their life, and sometimes killed.

The other word is a derogatory term used to describe a subset of the population that has been discriminated against for the vast majority of its existence on this continent, while often being shouted at victims of violence who were, often literally, hunted down, beaten within an inch of their life, and sometimes killed.

You're right. Nowhere near.

So, the term "fag" or "faggot" is a universal insult, not just towards homosexuals but towards women as well. Come to think of it, this term is even more of an insult towards the female gender than anything else because they (16th century men) perpetuated the idea that it was "insulting" to be "feminine" in any slightest way, as if it's a bad thing to be a girl--and this, in my honest opinion, seems like the female sex has the worse side of all this, seeing how it's females that are the ones that were originally being used as a degrading insult.

Third of all, while I think neither terms should ever be used or slung around as an insult, I have to wonder why nobody is fighting against the oppressive and abusive term that is "bitch"? Why is that I can't I hear the "N" word in a song but I can hear Eminem and Akon sing about "smacking a bitch" and doing this or that to her?

Unlike the previous two words I just discussed, the term "bitch" was created to be used as a derogatory term towards the female sex. For example, it was used in Ancient Greece and Rome as a sexist slur that equated women to dogs in heat, "sexually depraved beasts who grovel and beg for men". While, yes, usage of the word during the 16th and 17th centuries referenced to a man and not a woman in SOME cases, the word was still originally created and used as a derogatory term towards women and ONLY women. So in regards to etymology of the word, it has always been used as an insult towards women, and yet people never speak out against it while they claim to be against calling homosexuals "fags" or calling blacks the "n" word.

While I don't disagree with you on any of these points, much like another thread in which somebody jumped in and said "HEY WHAT ABOUT THESE PEOPLE?", that simply wasn't the focus of the example brought forth.

Fourth of all

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It wasn't 400 years, try about a few thousand years.

Uhhh... I was specifically speaking about slavery of Africans in the U.S. Which was about 400 years. Because that's generally where the use of the particular term in question is most closely associated. Florida began participating in the chattel slave trade in 1581. Slavery may have ended with the Emancipation Proclamation officially, but de facto slavery existed in the South through the Civil Rights Act of 1964 with sharecropping and Jim Crow laws, among other reasons.

 

[Ohri-Jin]

Insanity Wolf are you even black or darkskinned?
I never use the word ***** myself in real life but there is definitely a difference between -A and -ER if you cant understand that so be it.
Only dakrskinned people may use those words. White people might only use with -A.

Those are the rules. I dont care how much you read about it or studied it those are the rules on the street!

You cant compare the N word with the F word for Homosexuals... you should have never brought it up in the first place. I always wondered are you really African American or not? Are you caucasian?

I used to say gonna smoke a fag cause it can be a sig as well.



Maybe I listen too much to Rap/rnb/Gangsta music myself. Black people used the word themselves so they could take away its power. Why let the white people have its hold on black people right?
Man white people probably invented all racist words lmao or at least most of them.

 

[Exoskeleton]

Insanity Wolf are you even black or darkskinned?
I never use the word ***** myself in real life but there is definitely a difference between -A and -ER if you cant understand that so be it.
Only dakrskinned people may use those words. White people might only use with -A.

Those are the rules. I dont care how much you read about it or studied it those are the rules on the street!

You cant compare the N word with the F word for Homosexuals... you should have never brought it up in the first place. I always wondered are you really African American or not? Are you caucasian?

I used to say gonna smoke a fag cause it can be a sig as well.

I doubt it matters what he is, he's simply stating many facts that prove to be true according to the classes I took last semester What does his ethnicity have to do with anything?

It doesn't matter who uses certain words. We "Darkskinned people" prefer the term african american or just plain black if you're referring to our ethnicity as a whole(there's a whole range of dark-light skinned people out there who consider themselves black). There are no set rules as to who can use certain words. Those "rules" are made up and no matter what ending someone throws on the word as a black guy it still offends me. Not every black person uses the word, just a small minority of the rap community, and the people who idolize the figures within it dare to even use the N word that much. And please don't say what "rules on the street" are. I've been on the "street" aka slums, not so nice areas, and on the whole it's NOTHING like the media portrays it just like how not all gays are feminine but that's what the media mostly portrays.

Now being bi I think you can compare both words. They are BOTH insults no matter what way you look at it. They were used as insults and still are. Rarely do I hear someone just using them for fun. Black people use the N word and the "F word"(fag) to insult each other or for intimidation a lot of times! I speak from experience and both words hurt, sometimes even if it''s just in a "joking" way the history associated with them is obviously still there. We cant just wipe away a meaning of a word entirely without forgetting it's history.

Maybe I listen too much to Rap/rnb/Gangsta music myself. Black people used the word themselves so they could take away its power. Why let the white people have its hold on black people right?
Man white people probably invented all racist words lmao or at least most of them.

Please tell me you're trolling o__o... Black people use it now so they can take away it's power? White people inverted racists words they made up? This has nothing to do with homophobia. Gurlfran you trippin

 

[Ohri-Jin]

lol too bad we cant see eye to eye but I totally disagree with everything you said.
Black people did start using the N word to CLAIM it, what part of that dont you understand?

Asking about skin colour does make a difference imo. A white person will never understand the whole ordeal. That made me really surprised about the fact you are Darkskinned as well but dont feel the same.

Well you have a lot of different mentalities obviously, you have darkskinned people true to their roots and even darkskinned people raised white.

They are bounties, black from outside but white from inside and the other way around is called wigger. And please dont gurlfriend me that is just silly. Triple T brought up the the whole N issue.


I am fully aware they are all abusive words to inflict pain, but they can be turned around to be as a joke. A word is word and it has only meaning when you give it meaning. So when you take the word but change it a little bit you can change its power and meaning no matter what the origin is or was intended. Thus black people using the N word themselves.

I would never say it irl though but If I lived in the states I probably would. Rappers changed it to something positive. Stand Up comedians also use the N word. Throughout a lot of movies they use the N word.



This thread got massively delayed btw... because of bullshit!!!!

I said the joke Most gaymen are sissies that was the JOKE! About the if someone calls a homosexual a fag comment was purely hypothetical, There you have it Triple T. I never used irl face to face to a homosexual. I used it yesh but not face to face or deliberately.

Am I shortminded or are you two just shortminded?

Theory/books and what not is dandy but real life is different ok? Forget the past and move on. Take something negative and try to turn it into positive isnt appreciated lately it seems.

 

[CPancer]

lol too bad we cant see eye to eye but I totally disagree with everything you said.
Black people did start using the N word to CLAIM it, what part of that dont you understand?

Asking about skin colour does make a difference imo. A white person will never understand the whole ordeal. That made me really surprised about the fact you are Darkskinned as well but dont feel the same.

Well you have a lot of different mentalities obviously, you have darkskinned people true to their roots and even darkskinned people raised white.

They are bounties, black from outside but white from inside and the other way around is called wigger. And please dont gurlfriend me that is just silly. Triple T brought up the the whole N issue.


I am fully aware they are all abusive words to inflict pain, but they can be turned around to be as a joke. A word is word and it has only meaning when you give it meaning. So when you take the word but change it a little bit you can change its power and meaning no matter what the origin is or was intended. Thus black people using the N word themselves.

I would never say it irl though but If I lived in the states I probably would. Rappers changed it to something positive. Stand Up comedians also use the N word. Throughout a lot of movies they use the N word.



This thread got massively delayed btw... because of bullshit!!!!

I said the joke Most gaymen are sissies that was the JOKE! About the if someone calls a homosexual a fag comment was purely hypothetical, There you have it Triple T. I never used irl face to face to a homosexual. I used it yesh but not face to face or deliberately.

Am I shortminded or are you two just shortminded?

Theory/books and what not is dandy but real life is different ok? Forget the past and move on. Take something negative and try to turn it into positive isnt appreciated lately it seems.

Discrimination has many forms, and jokes can be one of them. You think it's harmless? Maybe you were granted the luxury of someone not attempting to state the joke you made is indeed very homophibic. You don't think that someone on here would say something against your opinion? No one has to take your cruel joke and try to make the best of it, and you expected everyone on the forum to agree with you? Get real!

And what's with the topic of using the N word? This is completely off topic in regards to homophobia, if you want to discuss racial discrimination make a thread for that then, don't bring it here it does not relate to homophobia other than in the category of discrimination but I would still rather be discussing the issues of homophobia.

 

[Exoskeleton]

lol too bad we cant see eye to eye but I totally disagree with everything you said.
Black people did start using the N word to CLAIM it, what part of that dont you understand?

All of it. Are you black? Are you a historian? No? Okay. I'd appreciate it if you didn't make assumptions about my race as a whole. Maybe one black person had the mindset to claim it, but you can bet not everyone has that mentality. Furthermore if anything it's used by black people because that's what the Europeans who'd enslaved Africans called us. African Americans raised and slaves and learned how to speak and learn english from white people who gave our ethnicity that name and so that's why we used that. Some people in modern times still use it, others feel like constantly labeling ourselves that way will brand us with past discrimination, etc and so they choose words with no negative connotations to be represented by.

Asking about skin colour does make a difference imo. A white person will never understand the whole ordeal. That made me really surprised about the fact you are Darkskinned as well but dont feel the same.

Really? Well if you don't understand why keep making things up like you do? And when did we start calling black people "Darkskinned"? I was serious when I said just "Black" was fine. >.>

Well you have a lot of different mentalities obviously, you have darkskinned people true to their roots and even darkskinned people raised white. They are bounties, black from outside but white from inside and the other way around is called wigger. And please dont gurlfriend me that is just silly. Triple T brought up the the whole N issue.

No I'm just obviously more open minded. In my eyes this statement is sillier than my "gurlfran" gurlfran . I don't know what a bounty is, but I do understand how anyone could grow up with different mindsets(I've already heard of the term "wigger" and it just screams facepalm. people are people not labels).

I am fully aware they are all abusive words to inflict pain, but they can be turned around to be as a joke. A word is word and it has only meaning when you give it meaning. So when you take the word but change it a little bit you can change its power and meaning no matter what the origin is or was intended. Thus black people using the N word themselves.

No offense but I didn't ask for a lecture. Though I'm pretty sure if you were of some minority you're opinion would be different.

I would never say it irl though but If I lived in the states I probably would. Rappers changed it to something positive. Stand Up comedians also use the N word. Throughout a lot of movies they use the N word.

You not living in the states totally helps me see your mindset on the issue and how you came to think about the issue the way you do. Maybe rappers from where you live, wherever that may be, have given it a positive meaning, but the only well respected rappers I've observed in the black community avoid negativity and try to enlighten and stray away from the use of the N word. I'm guessing since you're basing this off media you probably haven't gotten a good grip on the black community so I'd suggest you avoid the topic entirely.

Fyi(from someone who's studied and considered getting into media): It's all exaggerated. Movies are not real life. New reports are blown up, comedians don't really say that shit in real life, like seriously most of their acts are made up. It's all created to play off of shock value(which is a good way to get anyone laughing) But a comedic persona is just that, a persona created by the comedian that's just phony. A good example would be the "reality show" Laguna Beach.

Now back to the topic of the thread:

I said the joke Most gaymen are sissies that was the JOKE! About the if someone calls a homosexual a fag comment was purely hypothetical, There you have it Triple T. I never used irl face to face to a homosexual. I used it yesh but not face to face or deliberately.

Am I shortminded or are you two just shortminded?

You are. I think you've made it very clear that you tend to go off the stereotypes you see in movies or TV about groups of people instead of learning about them. You're not homophobic just severely misinformed. Saying things behind peoples backs don't make it any better than saying it to their face. That's like me saying "Oh me and my friends joke about how his mom is a full on slut, but I'd NEVER say it to his or her face.". In your opinion is something like that really okay. I don't mean to sound bitchy or offensive or to attack you but the things you say and assume really frustrate me. It's like you're insulting the LGBT community and my ethnicity so please understand if this turns out to be a less than friendly sounding response.

Oh and Jesse's white I think.

 

[Ohri-Jin]

@CPancer
In my previous post there is a part I said I am fully aware its an abusive word so read better please. Not everyone has to agree either but should understand what I am trying to say but people missing the point I guess and only takes certain aspects of my statements and trying to take things out of contexts. Triple T brought the whole issue about the N word not me so again read all my posts instead of my latest just to justify your opinions about me lol.
@[Exoskeleton]

I might have crossed the line and Im sorry if I did and yes I am not african american but I am darkskinned and people have showed racism to me irl where I snapped.
This isnt all about USA you know. Americans think its all about them while racism is global.

About N word used by rappers, I listen to Tupac, Bone Thugs N Harmony etc. I listen to underground rap especially from texas UGK, Pimp C and Big K.R.I.T.
Big Krit is extremely positive and he makes awesome music not all about bitches and hoes.

One song is N.I.G.G.E.R and its amazing:

Please listen to the song. He also uses the N word occasionally though. IMO he can and may as long as a white man doesnt use it.



Another Naive Individual Glorifying Greed and Ecouraging Racism


I used the term fag yeah and not face to face to deliberately hurt a person and definitely not to spread rumours, but hey im only human I spit out words. It is what it is. The terms exist and thus will be used intentionally or unintentionally but it happens.

 

[Ohri-Jin]

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Wow, and he's still going off topic about the N word again, do other moderators look at these things?

If you are trying to make a point you shouldnt do the exact thing you are accusing me of, that defeats your whole point.
Im obviously replying to forum members that replied to me. There is nothing wrong with that.

It started all because of the F word for homosexuals and N word and what their likeliness is and difference.

 

[CPancer]

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Those forum members are making the exact mistake you are, don't try to justify yourself about a topic that doesn't relate to the thread. The N word is only similar by the negative impact it has from someone who uses it, but they are divided completely by their meanings. Although I admit there are gay men who use the word "Fag" to attack somebody which is completely ironic, but can we leave the N word out of this discussion?

 

[Six]

Let's keep this place civil, and ON TOPIC, guys. Move on.

 

[Sheechiibii]

I think it really depends on the situation whether the word fag can be used as a joke or not. If you're not making the joke with homosexual people then I'd say it's definitely not the kind of thing to say, that's like laughing at someone behind their back. Calling a friend a twat behind their back as a joke is not the same as doing it to their face as a joke. Obviously if you're with your friends and they are gay and you use the word as a joke to them then it's most likely not going to be taken offensively. It also depends on the person, my best friend is gay and hates the word fag, I can call him poofter, gay boy, homo, anything but fag because he's not comfortable with that word. Personally I don't call him any of those things but in a hypothetical situation if I were making a joke to him I wouldn't use the word fag because I know he's not comfortable with it even as a joke.

So it depends on the people you're making the joke to, whether they are gay themselves and whether they would be comfortable with it or take offense. It's not the kind of thing you can generalise because everyone is different and at the end of the day the word fag is an insult, it's a word used for the purpose of hurting people, so you have to be careful when taking it out of context that it's understood by everyone what you mean and that you're not trying to be offensive.

The joke about sissies is a totally different thing. I wouldn't say that's appropriate as a joke to anyone because it uses a huge stereotype which is untrue and unfair.

 

[CPancer]

I think it really depends on the situation whether the word fag can be used as a joke or not. If you're not making the joke with homosexual people then I'd say it's definitely not the kind of thing to say, that's like laughing at someone behind their back. Calling a friend a twat behind their back as a joke is not the same as doing it to their face as a joke. Obviously if you're with your friends and they are gay and you use the word as a joke to them then it's most likely not going to be taken offensively. It also depends on the person, my best friend is gay and hates the word fag, I can call him poofter, gay boy, homo, anything but fag because he's not comfortable with that word. Personally I don't call him any of those things but in a hypothetical situation if I were making a joke to him I wouldn't use the word fag because I know he's not comfortable with it even as a joke.

So it depends on the people you're making the joke to, whether they are gay themselves and whether they would be comfortable with it or take offense. It's not the kind of thing you can generalise because everyone is different and at the end of the day the word fag is an insult, it's a word used for the purpose of hurting people, so you have to be careful when taking it out of context that it's understood by everyone what you mean and that you're not trying to be offensive.

The joke about sissies is a totally different thing. I wouldn't say that's appropriate as a joke to anyone because it uses a huge stereotype which is untrue and unfair.

Stereotypes = discrimination. It's the harsh reality for all the people out there who think it's ok to joke about it.

I don't get people who say they don't discriminate even though they think it's ok to joke about stereotypes with their friends. Stop trying to defend yourself about jokes, if your joke refers to categorizing of people, racism, discrimination, stereotypes. That doesn't make you any better than the people who express it through verbal or physical attacks on people. A person joking about this is no better than a person killing someone because of their differences, wether it's shared amongst friends or people you want to attack, stop trying to sugarcoat it because it's so insulting.

 

[CassinoChips]

Insanity Wolf are you even black or darkskinned?

Are you? More importantly, do you know what an ad hominem argument is? And why it's logically fallacious?

But for the sake of argument, if I need to broadcast my cred, I live in the American South, in a town that is 50% black. I graduated from an HBCU (that's a Historically Black College/University) with a degree in History with an emphasis on antebellum U.S. History (Which is the time period before the Civil War, which is basically all about slavery and its ramifications).

I never use the word ***** myself in real life but there is definitely a difference between -A and -ER if you cant understand that so be it.
Only dakrskinned people may use those words. White people might only use with -A.

Those are the rules. I dont care how much you read about it or studied it those are the rules on the street!

Lol. The mean streets of Amsterdam? Please. When you live next door to a crackhouse run by Bloods, know which 7-11 to avoid after the sun sets, and go to school next to a park where a gang had a shootout with a bunch of Army Rangers, then I'll believe you when you talk about the street.

You cant compare the N word with the F word for Homosexuals...

I believe I just did, and it's an apt comparison, as I showed in my reply to Cali.

I always wondered are you really African American or not? Are you caucasian?

If you can't tell, why does it matter?

I used to say gonna smoke a fag cause it can be a sig as well.

That's a different situation. Although, considering the origin of the term, there are conclusions that could be drawn that that is still incredibly homophobic. The comparison that comes to mind is the "Rule of Thumb" speech in Boondock Saints, even though that's not historically accurate in the slightest.

Maybe I listen too much to Rap/rnb/Gangsta music myself. Black people used the word themselves so they could take away its power. Why let the white people have its hold on black people right?
Man white people probably invented all racist words lmao or at least most of them.

Yeah, especially terms like "honky" and "cracker." I bet white people invented those just for the sole purpose of knocking themselves down a peg.

Asking about skin colour does make a difference imo. A white person will never understand the whole ordeal. That made me really surprised about the fact you are Darkskinned as well but dont feel the same.

Maybe that should tell you something.

Well you have a lot of different mentalities obviously, you have darkskinned people true to their roots and even darkskinned people raised white.

They are bounties, black from outside but white from inside and the other way around is called wigger. And please dont gurlfriend me that is just silly. Triple T brought up the the whole N issue.

Explain how one is "raised white". Do you have to be poor to be black? Do you have to be from a broken home to be black? Do you have to be [insert another common stereotype about black folks here] to be black?

I am fully aware they are all abusive words to inflict pain, but they can be turned around to be as a joke. A word is word and it has only meaning when you give it meaning. So when you take the word but change it a little bit you can change its power and meaning no matter what the origin is or was intended. Thus black people using the N word themselves.

But when the majority (i.e. straight/white people) make a racially/sexuality charged joke about the minority (gay/black people) it's not "just a joke" or "just a word." And that's entirely different from a black person using the N-word.

I would never say it irl though but If I lived in the states I probably would. Rappers changed it to something positive. Stand Up comedians also use the N word. Throughout a lot of movies they use the N word.

You realize TV and Hollywood and music are all different from real life, right? About 3 hours west of me, a football coach was fired because he semi-jokingly said he would punish a black player by making him "hang from a tree." This was a few years after the incidents in Jena, Louisiana, where several white students hung nooses from branches of trees at the local high school as a way to intimidate black students.

Point being, a rapper in a studio in LA has no ramifications when s/he uses the N-word. If I use it, I'm toast.

This thread got massively delayed btw... because of bullshit!!!!

Whose bullshit? Yours?

I said the joke Most gaymen are sissies that was the JOKE! About the if someone calls a homosexual a fag comment was purely hypothetical, There you have it Triple T. I never used irl face to face to a homosexual. I used it yesh but not face to face or deliberately.

The JOKE was a homophobic one. And expressing homophobic views while there are no gay people within earshot doesn't make you any less homophobic. If I'm at a KKK meeting and actively participating, I bet there are no black/Catholic/Jewish/gay/Asian/whatever people within earshot. Doesn't change the fact that I'm at a KKK rally and am espousing a racist viewpoint.

Am I shortminded or are you two just shortminded?

I don't know. Mainly because I don't know what shortminded means.

Theory/books and what not is dandy but real life is different ok? Forget the past and move on. Take something negative and try to turn it into positive isnt appreciated lately it seems.

Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

@CPancer
In my previous post there is a part I said I am fully aware its an abusive word so read better please. Not everyone has to agree either but should understand what I am trying to say but people missing the point I guess and only takes certain aspects of my statements and trying to take things out of contexts. Triple T brought the whole issue about the N word not me so again read all my posts instead of my latest just to justify your opinions about me lol.

You can keep blaming me, but you didn't have to respond, thus putting your views out for all to see and dissect.

I might have crossed the line and Im sorry if I did and yes I am not african american but I am darkskinned and people have showed racism to me irl where I snapped.
This isnt all about USA you know. Americans think its all about them while racism is global.

Slavery isn't tied to European culture like it is in the U.S. Our history was built on the backs of the African slave. You're right, racism is global, and Europeans do it very well. But there's something special about what the U.S. has done to African-Americans. There's a reason rap started here, and not in Europe.

Please listen to the song. He also uses the N word occasionally though. IMO he can and may as long as a white man doesnt use it.

Good! Then don't use the F-word unless you're gay. Problem solved.

I used the term fag yeah and not face to face to deliberately hurt a person and definitely not to spread rumours, but hey im only human I spit out words. It is what it is. The terms exist and thus will be used intentionally or unintentionally but it happens.

And you will be judged for the words you use, whether intentionally or unintentionally, but it happens. So think before you hit "Reply".

 

[Master Cat]

I'm not going to comment on the use of the term "f---ot" because I've never used it and I'm not particularly fond of it. I feel that it's connotation is a bit more harsh than the term "gay" for some reason. And considering that "gay" used to be used to describe someone "happy" (and my grandma's name was "Gaylynn"), I think the word "gay" is just a taaaad bit less harsh-sounding. *NOTE: I am not condoning the use of either word, just making a statement on how they actually SOUND when used in conversation, lol. I suppose a linguist may understand what I mean by this.*

I think the "ban" on the use of the term "gay" has gone through many leaps and bounds to no avail. Unfortunately, I still hear little kids throw the word around in their daily conversations when describing something or someone uncool, lame, inferior, stupid, etc. There have been many efforts (commercials, from what I've seen) to discourage people from using the word "gay," but I suppose it's fallen on deaf ears.

I will admit that when I was younger (like 14 years old probably; I'm 22 years old now), I used to use the word quite jokingly. It was mostly out of habit, to be honest. I never used it towards another person- solely on objects/things that I felt were lame. That probably only lasted a year once I found out that one of my favorite uncles was gay. He's only 2 years older than me mind you, so I considered him to be somewhat of an older brother. It was then that I realized, "Hey, I actually know gay people, so I can't just anonymously throw the word around anymore because you know what? It might actually be considered offensive." xD

It seriously annoys me to hear people call things out as being "gay" (especially younger kids and teens; I really feel bad for how the media has influenced this new generation of teens... ) because imo it sounds a bit ignorant or at least immature. Maybe this is because I USED to use the word, but since I've become much more enlightened since then, I feel that other people should be capable of breaking the habit and not using the word out of context anymore.

Another thing that sorta irks me though, which I suppose may be in agreement with the OP, is when gay people use the term "gay" like nothing. For instance, last week when my uncle visited, he used the term "gay" to describe something so random and so unrelated to homosexuality. That annoys me a bit because I feel that if everyone else is discouraged to use the word so loosely, why is it alright for him to use it like nothing? That seems a bit unfair to me, and in that case, I wonder how offensive the word "gay" really is to gay people if they don't mind tossing the word around out-of-context from time to time. And btw, my uncle HATES it when his own brother calls him out for being gay and misuses the word "gay." I guess it's a double standard or issue of hypocrisy then? xD;

 

[Ohri-Jin]

Are you? More importantly, do you know what an ad hominem argument is? And why it's logically fallacious?

But for the sake of argument, if I need to broadcast my cred, I live in the American South, in a town that is 50% black. I graduated from an HBCU (that's a Historically Black College/University) with a degree in History with an emphasis on antebellum U.S. History (Which is the time period before the Civil War, which is basically all about slavery and its ramifications).



Lol. The mean streets of Amsterdam? Please. When you live next door to a crackhouse run by Bloods, know which 7-11 to avoid after the sun sets, and go to school next to a park where a gang had a shootout with a bunch of Army Rangers, then I'll believe you when you talk about the street.



I believe I just did, and it's an apt comparison, as I showed in my reply to Cali.



If you can't tell, why does it matter?



That's a different situation. Although, considering the origin of the term, there are conclusions that could be drawn that that is still incredibly homophobic. The comparison that comes to mind is the "Rule of Thumb" speech in Boondock Saints, even though that's not historically accurate in the slightest.



Yeah, especially terms like "honky" and "cracker." I bet white people invented those just for the sole purpose of knocking themselves down a peg.



Maybe that should tell you something.



Explain how one is "raised white". Do you have to be poor to be black? Do you have to be from a broken home to be black? Do you have to be [insert another common stereotype about black folks here] to be black?




But when the majority (i.e. straight/white people) make a racially/sexuality charged joke about the minority (gay/black people) it's not "just a joke" or "just a word." And that's entirely different from a black person using the N-word.



You realize TV and Hollywood and music are all different from real life, right? About 3 hours west of me, a football coach was fired because he semi-jokingly said he would punish a black player by making him "hang from a tree." This was a few years after the incidents in Jena, Louisiana, where several white students hung nooses from branches of trees at the local high school as a way to intimidate black students.

Point being, a rapper in a studio in LA has no ramifications when s/he uses the N-word. If I use it, I'm toast.



Whose bullshit? Yours?



The JOKE was a homophobic one. And expressing homophobic views while there are no gay people within earshot doesn't make you any less homophobic. If I'm at a KKK meeting and actively participating, I bet there are no black/Catholic/Jewish/gay/Asian/whatever people within earshot. Doesn't change the fact that I'm at a KKK rally and am espousing a racist viewpoint.



I don't know. Mainly because I don't know what shortminded means.



Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.



You can keep blaming me, but you didn't have to respond, thus putting your views out for all to see and dissect.



Slavery isn't tied to European culture like it is in the U.S. Our history was built on the backs of the African slave. You're right, racism is global, and Europeans do it very well. But there's something special about what the U.S. has done to African-Americans. There's a reason rap started here, and not in Europe.



Good! Then don't use the F-word unless you're gay. Problem solved.



And you will be judged for the words you use, whether intentionally or unintentionally, but it happens. So think before you hit "Reply".

Alright touche you are right I cant argue that. When I said on the streets I was talking about other countries than Netherlands. Here its a paradise, but Ive seen documentaries dude.
I might not have lived there or whatever but trust me I have seen enough movies/documentaries to know what it is like.

In the Netherlands its all pussy play and I am fully aware of that, shit all these wannabe gangstas here trying to act like americans lol. Ive seen HAiti docu's and Braziliian. They need to struggle to survive. My sister actually goes to those countries to help orphans. I wish I had the balls to do that.

Also all the music I listen from Texas is the bomb. I get their messages. I dont listen to BS mainstream music.


About the F word and N word I never use them. I understand all your points all the people that think Im wrong, but IMO its a big difference if I say it in a certain way and face to face.
If I say it as a joke or behind people backs (without intentionally spreading rumours etc.) what is the big deal then?

My skin is dark (brown) and thus people called me negro in the past which in USA is same as N*gger. Well its a word they use in NL I think negro is the correct term. But ppl mean the same here when they say it.

The only reason I asked about your skin colour is because I was wondering why you always come up with conversations about Black people, but I now understand where you coming from.


Chanteru

Exactly some people can or may say certain things and others cant. Its all hipocrisy. I cant say it as a joke and even way back in the beginning I stated I was sorry for making the joke that all gaymen are sissies. I said I didnt want to offend anyone and am sorry if I did.

Then I saw the member Homosexual say the word fag but its ok because he is homosexual so he can say it. In that matter I can see what the N word has to do with it, but its all crooked nonetheless.

I still think if I dont hurt anyone intentionally with certain words then what is the big deal about this? We just cant agree it seems and thats fine by me then.

 

[Ohri-Jin]

reading about it means nothing, but you can watch documentaries and suddenly you're gangsta? yo.

I never said I was gangsta dude. LMAO you never put effort in your posts only to judge people. get a life dude.
I used to deal and have met people that are though. Even in NL you can get guns. Please dude street is street when you think about it. Trying to survive. Everyone has enemies and everyone trying to make money to survive. Some countries are worse put basicly same mentality in all countries.

You making assumptions. You dont know shit. At least Triple T knows whats up.

 

[Jack's Smirking Revenge]

in your own words:

Those are the rules. I dont care how much you read about it or studied it those are the rules on the street!

I might not have lived there or whatever but trust me I have seen enough movies/documentaries to know what it is like.

why does watching a documentary make you more of an expert than someone who has read or studied about it (very often in studying, people will watch factual tv shows/films, more commonly referred to as documentaries)? i'm just trying to clear up why you think you're the next tupac when you have no more reason to than jesse. less reason to, in fact.
or maybe it's just the combination of the documentaries and all the rap music you listen to.

 

[Ohri-Jin]

lol I already said I know now where he actually lives where he is coming from and thus knows what he is talking about. I already stated that. You just took my post before that. Reading between the lines aye.

I know whats up by the docu's and what not whats the deal in other countries.

For Netherlands its different because you cant get guns easily but that doesnt mean its not street lol. You have any idea how many dealers here are. Ive been there so I also know what Im talking about otherwise I wouldnt talk about it. However I tried to avoid criminals cause here they could get jobs instead and focus on the good in life , but in most countries they have no option.

I respect that but dont accuse me of things I supposedly think I am or not. I am not a gangsta and never said that.
Again people taking my posts out of context.