Is Seymour the real main villian?

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Id say no course all he does is get in the party's way and annoy them. Id say Sin is the real main villain course he destroys everything and makes everyone sad. I don't have a whole lot to say right now but whats your opinion about this?
 
Well he seemed to be and it made sense that he was, i mean he had the qualities to become the main villain.

But in the end i like the plot twist of Yevon being the main bad guy, Seymour was just a child born in the wrong place at the wrong time and the circunstances of his tragic past were what turned him into what he was...you know in the end i kind of feel sorry for the guy.
 
Seymour provided a distraction for the party, an obstacle for them to overcome up to the point where they were ready to tackle Sin. He was given a great deal of character development, though, and his presence all the way through the story could classify him as the main villain, but the way he ended up showed that, really, he was nothing more than a minor player with big ideals. Sadly...I really like him.
 
I think the title of this thread spoils the game enough, so I will not put spoiler tags, as it would just be tedious. Unless asked to, of course. So, SPOILERS:






As much as I would have loved to see Seymour in Dissidia, in my honest opinion he was not the main villain of the story. On a side note, neither was Jecht... but they couldn't exactly put Sin or Yu Yevon in Dissidia, now could they...

Anyway, I had always thought that Seymour was in fact the main villain of FFX. But when I looked further into it, my opinion changed. Seymour is classified as a playable character, and the final boss battle in the game was in fact not against Seymour, but a connection to Sin, the Final Aeon. Therefore, it makes sense that the main villain is Sin. The whole way through the story, everyone is worried about Sin, talking about how Sin took away their peace of mind, their family members, and their villages.

However, Yu Yevon could also be considered the main source of evil in the game. He was the one who created Sin, and kept it going in a never ending cycle. He was the final-FINAL presence (what exactly IS Yu Yevon?) that you had to defeat in the entire game. Nearing the end of the game the party says that they need to defeat Yu Yevon to stop the cycle from happening. So in fact, Sin could be considered just an obstacle as well. They needed to get inside of Sin to get to Yu Yevon, defeat him and save Spira's summoners, as well as the rest of Spira.

Overall, I would have to say that in my opinion the main villain would be Yu Yevon, although I really want to believe that it is Sin. The reasoning behind it being Yu Yevon makes a lot more sense to me, and now looking at Seymour, he just really plays a minor role compared to Yu Yevon. Yu Yevon just comes a lot later in the story, so maybe that is why he is overlooked as the main villain. Or maybe everyone just thinks that Seymour is so annoying, he must be the main villain :wacky:
 
I'm going to have to go against the grain here.

I vote that Seymour is the real villain. And like Asabella, I don't see the point in putting spoilers, but anyways, just to avoid the wrath of FF geeks... Spoilers below.



Obviously, it's easy to paint Sin being the main baddie. Later on, again, easy to just throw up Yu Yevon. But I say Seymour is the main villain because of the fact that he intercepts your party every twenty feet. And no, twenty feet is not an exaggeration.

Yes, yes, you fight Sin, and to a lesser extent, Sinspawn monsters in virtually every area, but they are essentially mindless drones compared to Seymour. He actually has a plan. A good one at the start, but a very poor one after Guadosalam. And he actually gets relatively close to completing his goals. How he got in Sin, (and also how he got in and put up his flags and stuff, BEFORE you get inside Sin) is quite a mystery. Clearly, he figured out what the party figured out. Also, Seymour makes it very clear on Mt. Gagazet that he's figured out Jecht is Sin, and possibly that a guardian becomes Sin with the Final Aeon. He's also figured out that a guardian is sacrificed to make the Final Aeon, and pretty early as well. I'd say before the game even starts, he has learned all this.

Besides the whole dealing with Sin part, I would also expand on his cunning versus Sin/Sinspawn's lack of intelligence. Seymour goes out of his way to obviously befriend Maester Mika, kill his father Maester Jyscal Guado, and uses his mother, now Anima, to brute force anything else that needs to be done. Clearly, from long before the game, and up until the Guadosalam to Macalania Temple part, Seymour has massive ambitions, and has set up not only himself, but virtually all of Spira to allow him to become the next Sin.

Sin, Sinspawn, and Yu Yevon, with them it is made clear that they all exist for only one purpose, each one having it's individual purpose. Seymour is going out of his way to play the very, VERY evil game called "politics," in order to kill all living things.



END SPOILERS



And yes, I accidentally erased my file the other day, and I am playing through again (Yuna only to challenge myself), so I'm pretty fresh on everything that happens in the storyline.
 
I think when it all comes down to it, deciding who is the main villain is opinion. They provide several for you to chose from so you have to make up your mind who it was for you.

I agree with what's been said about the FFX character choice for dissidia, although Jecht wasn't really the main bad guy of the game (well he kind of was SPOILERS because he was sin and more importantly he was the final sin) it was better to do that than to have seymore in the game. Mainly because you've got to limit seymors powers because he is slow and doesn't use a weapon. It was the easier choice to have Jecht as the bad guy.

While we're on this not I just want to comment that I hope they make a console version of Dissidia so they can have a more full character Roster. I WANT TO PLAY AS AURON IN DISSIDIA DAMN IT!!!
 
You could say he was a primary antagonist. He was the party enemy untill they beat him and set their sights on the true antagonist, Sin, Jecht, and eventually
Yu Yevon
I actually thought of him as the true antagonist, though, because he was always getting in the way, more then Sin was, imo. And he was cool and his sudden boss fights were quite fun to come across.
 
Really, Sin/Yu Yevon is the main villain. But X is lot different than the rest of the FFs, in that there's not a really strong antagonist anywhere. Hey, people who don't like X much, does that factor in somehow?

Seymour is a lot closer to the main villain than Jecht is, however, but even then, for most of the game Seymour's a distraction for what's really going on. Jecht is really only a victim of circumstance and a bit of an asshole, he's definitely not the driving force of evil here. Seymour miiiiight have been a little better as X's villain for Dissidia. Jecht is the final boss, however. For all practical purposes, anyway.
 
Seymour is a very important character. Maybe not the main villain but important nonetheless.

Seymour is essentially the counterpart of Yuna, one of our protagonists. They are both biracial summoners trying to achieve the same goal to relinquish 'sin' (religious allusion) yet in very different ways. Yuna wants to preserve Spira while Seymour wants to destroy it in order to attain peace. Even take a look at their original aeons. Seymour's past sufferings is reflective of Anima, a tortured aeon from the depths of hell, while Yuna summons a free bird from the sky.

There are so so many religious allusions in this game. Another one that's pretty important is that Tidus ~ Jesus Christ. He was brought into Spira from another world and knowingly sacrifices himself to save the people from "sin". He is even resurrected after his "death".

Good stuff :D
 
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I don't think it is really easy to point out the real big villian in FFX. While in most FF games you have a party of heroes battling a villian with an obviously evil or dark scheme (destroying the world is one of the most popular ones), in FFX you have two parties who try to maintain peace and happiness in a world with a large roaming killer whalemonster.

The difference is that Yuna & co want to break the spiral of death once and for all, while the Yevon clergy wants to maintain the cycle of of the Final Summoning and keep every one happy the old fashioned way. A good point here is that the Yevon clergy try to keep people 'dumb' and try to maintain their power. People in fear need strong faith after all. Seems quite logical for a religious organisation to me. This probably makes them more bad then the main cast, but not as bad as some of the world destroyers of previous installments. It raises important and interesting questions about relgion however, like how a religion should act if its continuity is in vain and how religion should handle it's power in general. (But these questions are better left to discuss in some religion thread.)

Seymour is a priest of Yevon and believes strongly in the spiral of death that Yevon maintains with the summoner rituals. In most faiths there are people who see the future darker then their religious companions (think about those Christians who think the world will end soon and about Christians who believe the world will not end for another few thousand years for instance.) I see Seymour as one with that darker side of faith, and a zealous one at that. Seymour wants to end end everything because he sees no way out, while Yuna & co have a brighter view of the future and believe in a more positive solution.

I think the answer to this question depends on your view on religion. If you aren't religious (or even opposed to it), it's a lot easier to see Yevon/religion as the bad guy who makes people fight.


@Ireal: Interesting points. When I have some time on my hands. I'll try and find more similarities between the Bible and FFX.
 
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Every FF has the human type bad guy who you almost (or do) feel sorry for. They constantly display very human qualities. That's Seymour. Yevon is the real bad Guy. Look at all the FF games and youll see situations like this coming up.
 
i liked that there wasn't a single driving force of evil in X. some could point out sin and yevon, or seymour, but yevon and sin are really just victims of their own machinations from past eras (the zanarkand war, though my memory's fuzzy), with yevon probably not even aware that he is 'alive' by the time your party reaches him. seymour had big ambitions to becoming sin, but even he proved to be just a stepping stone for yuna/tidus's growth as a couple and in battle.
 
lol you can choose for yourselfs :

War Bevelle - Zanarkand / YuYevon / YunaLesca / Sin / Seymour

You could say Yu Yevon BUT its all Bevelle's fault, but someone within Bevelle, but who? ;)
 
Ohri-Jin said:
lol you can choose for yourselfs :

War Bevelle - Zanarkand / YuYevon / YunaLesca / Sin / Seymour

You could say Yu Yevon BUT its all Bevelle's fault, but someone within Bevelle, but who? ;)
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Quoted for truth.

That right there would be the chain of evil in Final Fantasy X. But then it makes you kinda irritated because you want to know who the main villain is in the game, and you end up with a worse answer than you had to begin with.
 
Yes, Seymour was the only one with any real evil intent.

Mod Edit: Please make sure that you expand on the post and state why you think Seymour is the only one with any real evil intent. Thank you. =]
 
He was the main villain, basically because Sin was a force of nature and really had no choice in the matter, Seymour was black-hearted and put power above everything. Plus, the first time you met him, and saw his goshdarn NAME, you just wanted to punch him in the face. His various incarnations were harder than many of the Sin battles.
 
Did Final Fantasy X really have a main Villian ?, mean Seymour was just a misunderstood and empty figure who had to endure a rough childhood and loose his Mother at a young age. Seymour was a little screwed up in the head because he had to go through so much and judging by what Jyschal says in his sphere to Yuna he regrets not spending enough time with his son.

Judging by that Seymour didn't have support from his Father to guide him through when he should of, he lost his mother and he was neglected by his Father. Seymour may commit actions which could be seen as [* Villainous * ]but he is just a little messed up inside and he is letting his anger, confusion and sorrow out on Tidus and the group, Yuna and the whole of Spira. Wouldn't call Seymour a Villain much, but just somebody who was a little messed up inside.. And Jecht was just being controlled by the powers of Sin and he desired Tidus to knock him out of his misery of being Sin..

Yu Yevon could probably be it, but have NO Idea what he/ she/ it even is.. >_?
 
Well, when I think of main villain, I think of the one that antagonizes the party most in the group. That's not to say it's going to be some weak **** rival, but a serious foe of great importance. Therefore, I've always kind of thought of Seymour as the primary villain in X. He may not have seemed as such initially, but that just added to the whole drama that followed the guy. Sin, to me, may have been the "larger villain" behind it all, but most of the game he was more a story than an actual presence. Very much like Ultimecia, when I think about it...
 
I'd say that Seymour wasn't exactly the man antagonist in FFX, but that there were also others. There wasn't really just one main villain that the story focused on, but Seymour was the of the larger cases. Take into account Yevon and Maesters. They were all pretty much 'evil' I suppose you could say. Yevon sent out all these teachings and demanded that people follow them and their laws, however behind the scenes they betrayed the people of Yevon and didn't even follow their own teachings. They betrayed Yuna, shook her faith in the teachings. The sent should be sent to where they belong, to the Farplane, but Maester Mika was an unsent and so there was another one.

A lot of dirty, foul play behind the scenes. They all knew about Seymour killing Maester Jyscal and it seemed as if it didn't even matter to them. So you've got that. Then you have Yunalesca and the whole Final Summoning bullshit. There's another baddie. Then you have Jecht and the way he treated Tidus as a young child. I wouldn't even really classify Jecht as a baddie, but he wasn't a very good father to his son, that's for sure. Also, you can't really say Sin is the antagonist either, because he's being controlled by Yu Yevon who is the main cause of Sin's rebirth and all of the chaos in Spira. So really, the game is pretty much scattered with baddies. There is no one main antagonist or villain. Seymour, the Maesters, Yunalesca, and Yu Yevon all rolled into one are the cause of it all.
 
Hmm... I don't know. That guy was kind of crazy. I don't think I can blame people for being bad if they are crazy. I think Yu Yevon was really the main bad guy. He put the people of Spira through so much... Made them believe in the hope they never had. That's really bad.
 
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