Pokemon Mewtwo = Sephiroth

According to Wikipedia, they were working on the game as early as 1995. By that time, Pokémon was probably well in development, and by the time the FFVII demo came out in 1996 - assuming it actually did - it was less than three months away from release. We do not know what was included in that demo, or whether the developers of Pokémon played through it themselves, or what they had already thought of or put in the game before the release of said demo. The earliest year mentioned in the copyright information at the bottom of the Official Pokémon website homepage is 1995.
 
We do not know what was included in that demo
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Yes we do. It included the introduction of the game, all the way down to blowing up the mako reactor and escaping from it.

The team consisted of Aeris, Barret and Cloud. It was even possible to summon leviathan. Wether this was for demo reasons or a huge story difference can be debated.

They also called Mako power for Makoru in this demo.
 
Thanks to you, we do know now.
I don't really think the opening bombing mission really gives away that much of the game, however. Most of the battle and menu features during that part of the game were in most of the earlier Final Fantasy games and it hardly scratches the surface of the storyline.
 
I'm not saying that Pokémon existed before FFVII, only that it was released before FFVII. We don't know which game was started first - or at least, I haven't find sources that tell us and if you know it's strange that you haven't provided us with any dates yet - and we don't know exactly when everything was done or what either party knew about the other party's game at a particular time, though might be able to make some guesses because it's likely that both parties gave away information in such sources as magazine articles and that the FFVII demo was released before Pokémon which was released before FFVII itself. There is also the question of how much attention either party was paying to the other party's game. In short is very difficult, if not impossible, to tell if any of the similarities are due to the developers of one game ripping off the other, because there's a lot we don't know about who did what when or who knew what when.
 
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it's strange that you haven't provided us with any dates yet
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I have provided you with links and dates to back up everything I said. You have not done that for all you're saying. You have ot proved that the gameboy games Pokemon red or blue was released in 1997 in Japan.

All in all, if you've actually played Pokemon red or blue, you know that it doesnt have much to do with Mewtwo's story. His story was first realised in the Pokemon movie. Which was released in 1999. And based on what everyone agree's on here, his story is a bad copy of Sephiroth's story.
 
I have provided you with links and dates to back up everything I said.
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The only link I've seen from you so far is one to an IMDb page that gives us the US release date of Pokémon. I haven't seen you show us whether or not work on FFVII started before work on Pokémon.

You have not done that for all you're saying.
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I may only have provided one clickable link, but I've also mentioned sources that you can look up yourself.

You have ot proved that the gameboy games Pokemon red or blue was released in 1997 in Japan.
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This is perfectly true. I haven't proven that the first generation of Pokémon games were released in Japan in 1997. This is because they weren't. I have, however, given a reference that shows that they were released in Japan in 1996.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gam...ta/367023.html

All in all, if you've actually played Pokemon red or blue, you know that it doesnt have much to do with Mewtwo's story. His story was first realised in the Pokemon movie. Which was released in 1999. And based on what everyone agree's on here, his story is a bad copy of Sephiroth's story.
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I know all that - although it should be pointed out that there wasn't necessarily any deliberate copying involved. I'm not arguing about whether or not Mewtwo's story is similar to Sephiroth's.
 
If you're a hardcore FF fan then you know where to look. When a demo is released in 1996, that means the game would have been in development for quite some time actually. Most likely a few years already.

I can provide you with links later, but that will have to wait a week since I'm going to new york in a few hours.

I loved the pokemon game for GBA. After all, the whole combat system was the Final Fantasy combat system I've loved for years and years before that. And Nintendo is a good company that knows how to keep the fire burning. And I have no doubt that when they made Mewtwo's story, which is the villain of the movie, they looked at Sephiroth from Final Fantasy VII, because he became extremely popular in the rest of the world, and even more popular in Japan at that time.
 
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Oh really? Just the fact that it is turned based, uses a menu with attack, item and magic system, have items that works the same way as in FF, even with the same names, is built on MP and HP, is based on random encounters as well?
 
If you're a hardcore FF fan then you know where to look.
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Questioning someone's status as a fan is not a substitute for providing sources.

And I have no doubt that when they made Mewtwo's story, which is the villain of the movie, they looked at Sephiroth from Final Fantasy VII, because he became extremely popular in the rest of the world, and even more popular in Japan at that time.
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This is what is known as circumstantial evidence.

Nothing you've mentioned in rebuttal to LordofInfinity has anything to do with the ATB system.

Just the fact that it is turned based
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The ATB system is not a turn based system. In battles using the ATB system, each character has the chance to perform an action after a certain time that is dictated by their speed. The speed of other characters is not taken into account when working out this time interval. In a turn-based system, the order in which characters take an action is determined via a comparison of their speed stats, as in Pokémon.

uses a menu with attack, item and magic system
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In battle commands in Pokemon are, IIRC, Fight - which takes you to a menu of four different moves for each character - PKMN - which allows you to switch to another member of your party - Item, and Run. The Fight command in Pokémon does not work in the same way as the attack command in FF, and Pokémon does not have a magic command, nor does any FF game before FFX have a command that allows you to switch characters in battle.

have items that works the same way as in FF, even with the same names
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This is because they are both part of the same genre. Games of the same genre have common elements. Pokémon has it's own items unique from FF, and it's own set of names for similar items. Why shouldn't Pokémon call, for example, a restorative item a potion? Final Fantasy didn't invent the idea of potions being used for healing purposes.

is built on MP and HP
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As I've already said, Pokémon does not use MP.

is based on random encounters as well?
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Final Fantasy was not the first game based on random encounters. Dragon Quest predates it.

Using your logic, almost every 2D platformer ever created is a ripoff of Donkey Kong.
 
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Actually. Donkey Kong would be a ripoff from Mario Bros by that assumption ;).

And yes the Battle Systems are similiar...Who freakin cares? And I believe Pokemon existed long before FF7...So saying Mewtwo would have been ripped from Sephiroth is plain wrong :p
 
Actually. Donkey Kong would be a ripoff from Mario Bros by that assumption
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Nope. Mario Bros. is a spinoff from Donkey Kong, which was the first game ever to feature Mario (although at the time he was known as Jumpman).
 
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Nope. Mario Bros. is a spinoff from Donkey Kong, which was the first game ever to feature Mario (although at the time he was known as Jumpman).
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Interesting, you are correct of course, that is a common misconception. Back on-topic while mewtwo may have been similar to Sephiroth in his methods, he was hardly comparable in the execution
 
And yes the Battle Systems are similiar...Who freakin cares? And I believe Pokemon existed long before FF7...So saying Mewtwo would have been ripped from Sephiroth is plain wrong :p
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Mewtwo was hardly mentioned in the gameboy game. His story was first formed in the movie which came years later than FF7 did.
 
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