Seymour. Evil or Just Misguided?

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We all know that Seymour wanted to become Sin and kill everyone. but do you think he did this for his own evil plans or because he genuinly believed it would save the people of spira? doesn't this show that he's not really "Evil" and just wants the best for spira?

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Well for someone who uses his mother for power (though she offered herself freely to give some protection and help her son) and also for someone who murdered his own father, I say yes he is quite evil.

He was like the average twisted child who wishes to gain absolute destructive power beyond his understanding an use it to annihilate everything ruthlessly. Though he showed some humanity when he fell in love (though this can't be assured) with Yuna even though this love became twisted by his own selfish goals.
 
I say he was evil, he kinda reminded me of Sephi in a way... he used his mother for power...
 
Exactly though the only difference is that Seymour used his mother for his own selfish goals which were acquiring great power, and Sephiroth was really devoted to his "mother" the parasitic life form "Jenova". Neither Sephiroth manipulated Jenova nor Jenova manipulated Sephiroth. In fact it was a mutual alliance to destroy a common enemy, humanity (and the ancients of course).
 
I think he was genuinely evil.
Why in the world would he destroy the world except for his personal gain? I don't take stock in the fact that he said he wanted to 'save Spira' thing.

Well that's my opinion anyways. ^_^
 
Well, when you sit & think about it: If everything ceases to exist, there can be no suffering. Isn't real happiness the absence of suffering? Basically, I think perhaps both Yuna's side & Seymour's side were trying to reach the same end through different means.

As to whether or not that makes him evil: Well, I guess you'd have to determine whether the ends justify the means, eh?

Neither Sephiroth manipulated Jenova nor Jenova manipulated Sephiroth. In fact it was a mutual alliance to destroy a common enemy, humanity (and the ancients of course).
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Not to stray too far from the topic, but I can agree with this idea. Of the whole scenario you have your two extremes (Jenova > Sephiroth & Sephiroth > Jenova) & then you've got your middle-ground (Jenova = Sephiroth). While I'll never accept a Sephiroth > Jenova theory (regardless of what a producer says, being as how they don't have the backbone to go against a massive Sephy-fangasm), I'm more than willing to accept the middle-ground idea & say that their relationship was simply mutually beneficial.
 
I think that Seymour had a more vindictive thought in mind when he wanted to "save" Spira. I believe that he was merely sugar-coating the fact that he wanted to take revenge on everyone who had treated him poorly throughout his life because he was half Guado, and half man. He blamed his father for not being able to protect him from that, and he blamed his mother for leaving him, (although he got his first real taste of power when he got the Aeon, Anima).

So IMO, Seymour was an evil villian. But he's the type of villian that tries to make you feel sorry for him, or relate with him. Not really a likable villian IMO.
 
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But then again Seymour never wonted to turn his mum into anima. But i guess his a bit of both because he kill his father and such but he was misguided a bit because he killed his father because of his mom (because his mum gave him power, so he wonted more) so half i guess.
 
Seymour had a twisted idea of "saving" Spira. Since, according to Yevonite crap, Spira was sent to purify "Spira" as a punishment from Yu Yevon for abusing machina, which is a lie of course.

Seymour just wanted to take control of Yu-Yevon's power, not knowing that he would eventually become Yu-Yevon's puppet. It was all a matter of revenge like someone stated before. As being a half human-half guado being, he was rejected by both races which caused him to develop a deepening hatred towards the world and mostly towards his own father who failed to protect him...

Seymour is the type of villain with no emotions except for one, pure hatred against those who caused him much more suffering. Now that I think of it, Seymour could have been a great villain they developed this character even more....and with a better voice acting....
 
Julius Argexis said:
Seymour had a twisted idea of "saving" Spira. Since, according to Yevonite crap, Spira was sent to purify "Spira" as a punishment from Yu Yevon for abusing machina, which is a lie of course.
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Um, whut? :monster:

I think Julius has hit the nail on the head for this arguement really. Someone who uses the protective power given to him by his own mother in the way he does, and then goes on to kill his own father for even more power is only deserving of the word evil. He was simply just twisted in the head.
Maybe his beaten as a child?
 
I couldn't say he was either. There was none there for him long enough to actually "misguide" him, and he fell into a state of mental insecurity, and subsequently instability. I would not blame him for being emotionally weak, and that seems to have been the reason for his actions later on towards the end of his life.
I see "evil" as a person being completely aware of their doings, having no clear intent other than to, for example, destroy everything. Seymour wishes to effectively destroy life, but his reasoning reflects his past. We know he "suffered" greatly through his youth, as his mother informs us when the player obtains Anima. As a youth he was segregated for being neither one race nor the other, and became wholly reliant on his mother (Jyscal was away, wrapped up in politics. He admits this). I don't regard him as evil in the slightest. His methods are the questionable item; not his goal. Greed can only take a man so far, and that is not enough for anyone to deny an entire planet of life. He is blatantly a shattered individual.


From anyone's perspective, losing your only rock in life would be a devastating blow to one's emotional and mental status.
 
Seymour is very devious and anyone who would hurt people to achieve something their desire is evil.
 
Julius Argexis said:
Well for someone who uses his mother for power (though she offered herself freely to give some protection and help her son) and also for someone who murdered his own father, I say yes he is quite evil.

He was like the average twisted child who wishes to gain absolute destructive power beyond his understanding an use it to annihilate everything ruthlessly. Though he showed some humanity when he fell in love (though this can't be assured) with Yuna even though this love became twisted by his own selfish goals.
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right on the head furthermore there was never a guado/human mix in the games history so there could be some physicallical proplems with that so it could also be just a birth defect
 
He was evil

By destroying spira he would be ridding it of pain and sorrow. But killing every single person an a planet aint bein very nice.

He believes what he is doing is right he is ridding a world of sadness, but its not like the people want to die, they want to live. But it doesnt matter to him he is driven by his own selfish goal which is total annihalation of spira, he wont take others thoughts and feelings into account.

And seymour definately is not misguided i believe he knows exactly what he wants and knows exactly what he needs to do.
 
I don't think he was actually evil, he just wanted to rid Spira of it's pain by destroying it thus ending the Sin cycle...I think the way he was portrayed in the game was to make him seem sick and twisted to the average closed-minded gamer
 
Evil.

There was no one to really misguide him, he just sorta took his ambitions into his own hands. His mother and father were from different races, but that shouldn't have been anything dramatic enough to turn Seymour into the lunatic he became.

He saw an opportunity for greed, power, and self-glory, and he did whatever possible to gain it all; including his eventual murder that you find out about early on. Misguided means he would have been raised the wrong way, but Seymour's intentions were what he musted up in his own mind and he fed off of no one else's motives but his own.

Maybe it's a Yevon thing...who knows?
 
CRAZY! He was nutzy. I think he seriously thought he was doing right. But when someone think he is doing right but is hurting ppl he is mentally unstable. His pops said it himself. My son is misguilded and he is twisted. So yeah crazy.
 
Yeah, he had a bad past but it's to be expected that he'd be that way after what he'd been through, if he killed his own father then I don't think he'd think twice about killing a stranger - or a whole planet full for that matter
 
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