Usama Bin Laden DEAD!

[Ilyena]

Alright enough with the name-calling. If you can't discuss anything civilly, then please stay out of the thread. This will be the only warning given.

 

[Harlequin]

Call another user a bigot, and I'm the one that's flaming and trolling. Right.

Osama might have been a global threat. We didn't give him a just trial, so we'll never know for sure, will we?

This was unjust, and the soldiers who murdered him should be put on trial.

Well Emy life ain't fair. Osama chose the rules of engagement when he began his guerilla war. He's lucky he wasn't nuked.

Asking for a 'fair trial' is abusing someone's good will ever so slightly wouldn't you agree. I wonder if he gave those in the twin towers a fair trial.

 

[Emyunoxious]

Well Emy life ain't fair. Osama chose the rules of engagement when he began his guerilla war. He's lucky he wasn't nuked.

Asking for a 'fair trial' is abusing someone's good will ever so slightly wouldn't you agree. I wonder if he gave those in the twin towers a fair trial.

That's an accusation that should have been proven in a court of law.

This is the typical AmeriKKKan apology for these racial attacks. "Oh, uh, he was threatening that officer! The officer had to shoot him in the face!" Prove that he had anything to do with 9/11 in a court of law, or he is innocent.

I'm not calling you a racist. I'm just saying that AmeriKKKa has a massive boner for its armed forces, and even the racial killings perpetrated by them are almost always forgiven, in exactly the way you're doing now.

As far as I am concerned, Osama was an innocent who was murdered by AmeriKKKan soldiers. The justice system and I agree on this.

 

[Harlequin]

AmeriKKKan

Honestly?

That's an accusation that should have been proven in a court of law.

Oh yeah? For some reason I think Osama would've ignored the subpoena.

I'm not calling you a racist. I'm just saying that AmeriKKKa has a massive boner for its armed forces,

And I'd wholeheartedly agree. In fact if you had read the thread you'd have noticed my criticisms of how overzealous the US were in their celebrations of the killing.

and even the racial killings perpetrated by them are almost always forgiven, in exactly the way you're doing now.

Prove it's a question of race.

As far as I am concerned, Osama was an innocent who was murdered by AmeriKKKan soldiers. The justice system and I agree on this.

Well.. the justice system is the government and the government delivered a bullet to his head.

Spoiler

cold bloooooded

 

[Emyunoxious]

Honestly?

Yes.

Oh yeah? For some reason I think Osama would've ignored the subpoena.

So, arrest him. Don't shoot him and his unarmed wife. "Waaah but an unarmed tiny muslim woman ran at me! I had to shoot her! And Osama was... just there! Unarmed! We had to shoot him!" Typical.

And I'd wholeheartedly agree. In fact if you had read the thread you'd have noticed my criticisms of how overzealous the US were in their celebrations of the killing.

I have no problem with celebrating death. We can mourn death, so we should also celebrate it. I would hope anyone would celebrate the death of a hated enemy, but that death should have come after a trial. Not a murder.

Prove it's a question of race.

How many white people were targeted in this operation? Zero? Oh, I thought so. Once again the AmeriKKKan white man lynches a brown man, and the white boys all claim that the brown man is the criminal.

Well.. the justice system is the government and the government delivered a bullet to his head.

You have to be trolling. This doesn't even make any sense.

Spoiler

cold bloooooded

Even you admit you're trolling!

 

[Harlequin]

Emy, this back and forth between us has run it's course. Spelling America 'Amerikkka' is childish and petulant, you have no idea what race those being targeted were and in any case, it's the Middle East, they're unlikely to be caucasians if only because the demographic is largely that of Arabs, Persians, Kurds and Punjabs. I'm not trolling, I'm leaving you to it.

 

[Six]

So... at the end of the day, this thread will tell you that....

Nothing you say, or your opinion is, what you say, think, do, act, dream or think about, is going to change a single shit of what has happened.

Things. Happened.

Things happen ALL the time, and bashing members, or rubbing in something you so strongly believe in, is not gonna help revive those who died 'called/uncalled for deaths'.

 

[The Witch]

@Emyunoxious,

The brutal MURDER of Osama Bin Laden, shows how unjust AmeriKKKa really is.

This is the typical AmeriKKKan apology for these racial attacks.

I'm just saying that AmeriKKKa has a massive boner for its armed forces, and even the racial killings perpetrated by them are almost always forgiven, in exactly the way you're doing now.

As far as I am concerned, Osama was an innocent who was murdered by AmeriKKKan soldiers.

Do you need help spelling America, sug? You do know our president is BLACK, right? And you do know a LOT of supporters of him aren't just black, too, right?

Osama wasn't innocent.

We knew he was guilty of all these crimes because he admitted to it, didn't he? He didn't hide his proud love for taking claim of these horrendous crimes. He out right admitted to being apart of it. All a trial would have done would be giving him an A-class life paid for by American citizens he attacked for about what... 5 or six years as the trial took place.

And, it would have most definitely ended in death anyway. I don't know why everyone's so mad about this. Osama died "honorably" in the mindset of al Qaeda. He will now get to go to paradise for his killings and receive his 72 virgins, that's what he(not all muslims) aimed for, anyway. :/

 

[Donald Trump]

Osama wasn't innocent.

We knew he was guilty of all these crimes because he admitted to it, didn't he? He didn't hide his proud love for taking claim of these horrendous crimes. He out right admitted to being apart of it. All a trial would have done would be giving him an A-class life paid for by American citizens he attacked for about what... 5 or six years as the trial took place.

The presumption of innocence is at the heart of the justice system of the West. You cannot just ignore it.
I didn't read all your posts through properly, all those discriptions of dead family members would have made me cry. But surely it would be worth whatever cost to bring him to trial properly.

And, it would have most definitely ended in death anyway. I don't know why everyone's so mad about this. Osama died "honorably" in the mindset of al Qaeda. He will now get to go to paradise for his killings and receive his 72 virgins, that's what he(not all muslims) aimed for, anyway. :/

No one is mad, except some Americans who feel that America should be immune from criticism. I think some people are annoyed by the classlessness of the way Americans have celebrated. Some people may be annoyed how the army went all milfbro on the corpse and threw it into the sea. But I don't think anyone is mad.

 

[CassinoChips]

That's an accusation that should have been proven in a court of law.

As far as I am concerned, Osama was an innocent who was murdered by AmeriKKKan soldiers. The justice system and I agree on this.

He claimed responsibility for the attacks.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2004/10/29/binladen_message041029.html

http://classic-web.archive.org/web/...ra.net/English/archive/archive?ArchiveId=7403

Thus, he admitted his guilt.

Thus, not innocent.

 

[Terra Branford]

@the justice-trial thingy-mah-bob-thing:
Of course taking him to trail would have been far better and actual justice for what's he has done. The soldiers tried and tried to get him to surrender, and he refused and decided to fight them instead (to the death and glory of Jihad). What were they suppose to do? Let him, a mastermind terrorist, ride off into the sunset? >.>

This was unjust, and the soldiers who murdered him should be put on trial.

What?

To say ʾUsāmah is innocent, well, it's just...

 

[Emyunoxious]

He claimed responsibility for the attacks.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2004/10/29/binladen_message041029.html

http://classic-web.archive.org/web/...ra.net/English/archive/archive?ArchiveId=7403

Thus, he admitted his guilt.

Thus, not innocent.

Ever hear of someone renouncing their confession? You still have to have a trial, buddy. He could have claimed to be responsible for any number of reasons.

However, I'm not even arguing that he had nothing to do with it. We didn't have a trial, so his sentencing was decided by a bunch of dropouts in military uniform.

To recap: An unarmed man was murdered in cold blood by the military. If you do away with your preconceptions about who the media said this was, you'd understand how truly unjust this was.

 

[Donald Trump]

He said Osama was innocent because he hadn't been found guilty by a court. And why are you guys now using brackets and a smaller font when talking about Islam? Are you inpling it's not worth full sized letters?

And when has been making videos and showing them on Al-Jazeera been the same as being found guilty?
If he was unarmed then he shouldn't have been shot.
Did they think he was going to just surrender so his capture could be used for pro-American Propaganda?

 

[Sepalcure]

As biased as I believe most of the media outlets are (i.e: FOX News, ABC, CNN to an extent, etc.), there is a grain of truth that is undeniable: Osama Bin Laden admitted to being an integral part of al Qaeda's terrorist attacks. He helped orchestrate the murder of countless husbands, wives, men, women, children, sons, and daughters. To say that a man of his character should have been put to trial, Eury is just a little too fanatical. Yes, I'm labeling your words as fanatical.

Perhaps I should quote him for you since you seem dubious as to his innocence: “America is a great power possessed of tremendous military might and a wide-ranging economy, but all this is built on an unstable foundation which can be targeted, with special attention to its obvious weak spots. If America is hit in one hundredth of these weak spots, God willing, it will stumble, wither away and relinquish world leadership.”

Now, I clearly italicized the last part to emphasize a key point: the man was NOT innocent. Sure, he hid in order to bide his time and make sure his ruthless machinations came to fruition. But there is no doubt that he was the leader and organizer of 9/11 and played a hand in the other bombings and attacks we've witnessed in other parts of the world.

As for the way "Amerikkans" chose to celebrate his death, does it matter? I know people who were personally affected by what this man did. He slaughtered old friends of relatives of mine, he killed coworkers, husbands, businessmen, wives, teachers, anyone and everyone. He blatantly disregarded human life and openly admitted to his crimes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiKyWJRRjnU&feature=related. Might I add he wasn't very bashful or repentant in admitting his crimes. He was a fanatical, evil, twisted individual and I'm glad he's dead. He doesn't need his trial--the proof were in his words and his actions and in the actions of his followers.

The victims of families affected by 9/11, in my opinion, can celebrate as lavishly or as "embarrassingly" as they please. I think that until you understand what exactly it's like to lose a loved one or just barely almost lose someone then you have no right to defend the actions of a dead man, who whilst he was alive, could care less about "Amerikkans."

 

[Sum1sgruj]

While justice has been served, I still don't see this as a good thing. In fact, bad things are sure to come out of it..
I'm sensing some bad omens.

 

[Emyunoxious]

And when has been making videos and showing them on Al-Jazeera been the same as being found guilty?
If he was unarmed then he shouldn't have been shot.
Did they think he was going to just surrender so his capture could be used for pro-American Propaganda?

This is very simple, people:

Innocent until PROVEN guilty in a court of law.

Was Osama proven guilty in a court of law?

No.

He's innocent.

Period.

Whatever he said or did before he was murdered is inconsequential in this matter.

 

[Terra Branford]

ʾUsāmah is far from innocent. He will never and has never been, innocent. He has been killing since he turned about 13. Nothing will ever change that, ever. >.>

He said Osama was innocent because he hadn't been found guilty by a court. And why are you guys now using brackets and a smaller font when talking about Islam? Are you inpling it's not worth full sized letters?

If you are referring to me making my interrupted thoughts placed between Parentheses then you should know I do this all the time. It has nothing to do with "islam" or that its not "worth" anything. Smaller font? Because it would look god awful with giant parentheses breaking up my sentence, second because it looks extremely neater to do. Though I should have used hyphens...Anyways, it was me placing in notes to include why ʾUsāmah did as he did and why he was an evil man far from innocence.

 

[Donald Trump]

As biased as I believe most of the media outlets are (i.e: FOX News, ABC, CNN to an extent, etc.), there is a grain of truth that is undeniable: Osama Bin Laden admitted to being an integral part of al Qaeda's terrorist attacks. He helped orchestrate the murder of countless husbands, wives, men, women, children, sons, and daughters. To say that a man of his character should have been put to trial, Eury is just a little too fanatical. Yes, I'm labeling your words as fanatical.

Did he kill uncles? Or Grandfathers? Or in-laws? Cousins? Step-brothers?
It's common practise to put killers on trial. It's also common practise to put people on trial for war crimes. Osama isn't a particularly extraordinary case. There are people who have perpetrated far worse crimes you have been put on trial. I don't see how it is fanatical to ask for a trial. Personally I think no one is being fanatical, but I think a lot of Americans are far more interested in revenge than justice. That's fine. Just don't try to take the moral high ground.

As for the way "Amerikkans" chose to celebrate his death, does it matter? I know people who were personally affected by what this man did. He slaughtered old friends of relatives of mine, he killed coworkers, husbands, businessmen, wives, teachers, anyone and everyone. He blatantly disregarded human life and openly admitted to his crimes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiKyW...eature=related. Might I add he wasn't very bashful or repentant in admitting his crimes. He was a fanatical, evil, twisted individual and I'm glad he's dead. He doesn't need his trial--the proof were in his words and his actions and in the actions of his followers.

Does anything matter?
The rest of the world is entitled to judge the way you celebrate. Personally I find it crass.
His evilness isn't a fact. It says nothing about him, but says things about you.

The victims of families affected by 9/11, in my opinion, can celebrate as lavishly or as "embarrassingly" as they please. I think that until you understand what exactly it's like to lose a loved one or just barely almost lose someone then you have no right to defend the actions of a dead man, who whilst he was alive, could care less about "Amerikkans."

I disagree. I think he did care, which is why he tried to kill them. The people who couldn't care less have been the Americans. Your euphoria is disgusting as you never stop to consider the thousands of deaths you've caused just to avenge a paltry 3000 or so. The countless drones blowing up innocent people, disregard of human rights etc etc. Just so you could kill one man.

 

[Emyunoxious]

The victims of families affected by 9/11, in my opinion, can celebrate as lavishly or as "embarrassingly" as they please. I think that until you understand what exactly it's like to lose a loved one or just barely almost lose someone then you have no right to defend the actions of a dead man, who whilst he was alive, could care less about "Amerikkans."

Why does everyone think I give a shit about how AmeriKKKans celebrate? They could have burned the flag of Al Qaeda and murdered muslims living in their country, I wouldn't give a shit: That's the same thing that Muslims did in celebration and protest.

But you made a massive assumption in saying that I don't know what it's like to lose someone. I would appreciate it if you stayed away from baseless assumptions like that.

 

[Sepalcure]

Well then if he's innocent of his crimes, prove it. Where's your evidence because at this point your claims of his innocence are insubstantial and futile. I find it hard to believe that the U.S. military would use surveillance tactics to confirm the location and identity of a man they've been trying to track down for the past decade. Someone who released videos via Al Jazeera TV mocking our government, our people, and everything else we stood for as a nation. I find it even harder to believe that some people such as yourself would voice an outcry of annoyance and frustration over the fact that the man wasn't put to trial. I'm going to use Adolf Hitler as an example. Everyone here knows without a doubt that he caused the atrocities of the Holocaust yet he, similar to Osama didn't have a direct hand in the killings of the people he murdered, that is to say he was not the one to lead them on foot to the gas chambers or conduct the horrific experiments on the millions of Jews, homosexuals, Polish, Russian, and countless other non-Aryan, non-Germanic peoples that were slaughtered and tortured. Should Hitler have been put to a fair trial before he inevitably (and supposedly, according to some people) committed suicide? Forget that he committed suicide, let's say that he had been killed by a team of soldiers or sniped out from a window by a U.S. soldier with a sniper rifle, would that death have been unjustified or wrong because he wasn't proven to be "innocent"? I'm proposing this to you because that's essentially what you're saying here: Whatever happened before his death and whatever he said was inconsequential.

Hitler was no different from Osama, he had a highly disillusioned and even egotistical outlook of the world and a very skewed perception of what was morally acceptable and just in his eyes. Osama thought of us, the American people as "infidels" so even though you say everything he did and said before his death was inconsequential--it wasn't. He murdered people, he wished death upon you, me, our families, and everyone else who was considered a non-Allah fearing person. If you weren't Muslim and if you didn't stand for what he stood for then he'd blow your head off. So while it's "touching" (sarcasm obviously intended here) that you feel he should've been put to trial and whilst everyone is entitled to the right to have their own opinion, I fail to see the logic in your reasoning.

He admitted to the crimes. There is physical video evidence of this all over the Internet. He admitted to the crimes before his death. His followers committed aforementioned crimes under his direction. He hated all infidels and wished death upon them. The above quote was said by him thus proving his beliefs about America and ultimately the West in general, ergo, he is and will never be innocent; at least not in the eyes of most people, including the U.S. government.

Whether you find it unjust or not, your opinions won't bring him back or undo the fact that his body was disposed of in the sea, it won't undo the fact that he was fired upon whether unarmed or not. And honestly the only people who can legitimately say "Yes" or "No, Osama was no armed when we shot him," were the people who actually put the bullet in his head, or his chest, or whatever. Not you, not me, and certainly not any other U.S. civilian that wasn't affiliated in any way with the Navy Seals that were dispatched to that mansion to kill him and any one else who refused to cooperate with their guidelines and instructions.

Well I apologize for making that "baseless assumption" but how could you question his innocence then? How could you with all the evidence laid in front of you question and even ponder it? It's angering to me because I do know what it's like to almost lose someone and this affected my family deeply.

I disagree. I think he did care, which is why he tried to kill them. The people who couldn't care less have been the Americans. Your euphoria is disgusting as you never stop to consider the thousands of deaths you've caused just to avenge a paltry 3000 or so. The countless drones blowing up innocent people, disregard of human rights etc etc. Just so you could kill one man.

How dare you, my euphoria? He ruined the lives of my family, because of his "inconsequential" actions he has fucked over the lives of two people and irreversibly damaged my family. So how dare you say that my "euphoria" over his death just avenge a "paltry 3000" is disgusting. Think please before you type because that is just the worse possible thing you could say, you have no idea what I had to go through because of what transpired on 9/11. I'm not saying I have any entitlement to jubilantly celebrate his death because I actually didn't, I sat at home and watched the news and listened to everything calmly whilst I was chatting on the phone with my boyfriend. But you have no idea what I personally went through, what my cousin who lost his job had went through, psychologically and mentally, it damaged him. He had everything and lost it within the space of one day and none of my family members have viewed anything relating to that in the same way. Because of his actions my uncle would have died on that day, do you understand? I almost lost my uncle. Never mind that I psychologically "lost" a cousin but had my uncle not driven my cousins to school that day then he would be gone and I would be grieving, so don't you dare make that judgment about me. It's not about the "paltry death of 3000," it's that no one should have to suffer, this war shouldn't have happened in a first place, none of this should've happened.