Usama Bin Laden DEAD!

[Emyunoxious]

Well then if he's innocent of his crimes, prove it. Where's your evidence because at this point your claims of his innocence are insubstantial and futile.

I am going to say this again, and I can't believe you haven't understood yet. I can't even respond to your other claims until you understand this fact about the American justice system.

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY

I don't have the burden of proof. Defense does not have the burden of proof. The prosecution does.

 

[Sepalcure]

I am going to say this again, and I can't believe you haven't understood yet. I can't even respond to your other claims until you understand this fact about the American justice system.

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY

I don't have the burden of proof. Defense does not have the burden of proof. The prosecution does.

I'm sorry but due to what I've been through personally because of 9/11 and due to how I've seen my friends and family become so deeply affected by it, I don't agree with you. In my eyes, he's not guilty. In the eyes of the justice system, of the U.S. military, and in the eyes of most of the American people he's not guilty. He made his admittances to the crime and proved that he committed those atrocities and ruined the lives of countless people. I can't believe that you refuse to see that. But as they say, there's no use in flogging a dead horse.

 

[Terra Branford]

I disagree. I think he did care, which is why he tried to kill them. The people who couldn't care less have been the Americans. Your euphoria is disgusting as you never stop to consider the thousands of deaths you've caused just to avenge a paltry 3000 or so. The countless drones blowing up innocent people, disregard of human rights etc etc. Just so you could kill one man.

Yea, because not caring is us trying to stop global terrorism.

Let's talk about all the lives ʾUsāmah took from the start of his teens to the end of his life? Or how about the death he caused by telling his followers to kill people who disagreed with him? Or about we talk about how many other lives ʾUsāmah would have taken if he was never brought down?

Finally, you seem to have come to the wrong conclusion as to why we started the War on Terror. It wasn't just about killing ʾUsāmah, it was about ending Terrorism after ʾUsāmah had his people fly two places into two Towers and killed thousands of people. Sure our primary goal was to find -- not kill! --ʾUsāmah, but the actual war is about ending Terrorism, not ending ʾUsāmah's life. Where in the world did you get that from? If it was just about ʾUsāmah, it would be "War onʾUsāmah".

Its like people hate America and Americans just because they can. Its absolutely absurd.

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY

Then he also had the right to remain silent, yet he didn't.

 

[Emyunoxious]

I'm sorry but due to what I've been through personally because of 9/11 and due to how I've seen my friends and family become so deeply affected by it, I don't agree with you. In my eyes, he's not guilty. In the eyes of the justice system, of the U.S. military, and in the eyes of most of the American people he's not guilty. He made his admittances to the crime and proved that he committed those atrocities and ruined the lives of countless people. I can't believe that you refuse to see that. But as they say, there's no use in flogging a dead horse.

I know what he said, and he could say whatever he wanted to. I don't give a shit what you or anyone else went through, it's immaterial to justice. The fact is that he should have been given a trial, and the fact that he wasn't makes this just another murder of brown people by white people.

Then he also had the right to remain silent, yet he didn't.

Finish the quote.

"You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law."

Not in a court of law? Doesn't matter.

 

[Sepalcure]

I know what he said, and he could say whatever he wanted to. I don't give a shit what you or anyone else went through, it's immaterial to justice. The fact is that he should have been given a trial, and the fact that he wasn't makes this just another murder of brown people by white people.

Well that certainly says a lot, that you don't empathize or at least understand where I or anyone is coming from. The man did not deserve a trial because he outright admitted his own crimes. What he did was hateful, disgusting, and terrible. He killed countless people, I'm not denying that we as a nation haven't slaughtered people either but he did it mindlessly with the intention of hurting families, without remorse, because he wanted to be accepted into Paradise in the name of Allah. How should he be given a fair trial for the atrocities he committed and countless amount of people's lives he destroyed. And what is this about white people and brown people? It has nothing to do with race, NOTHING, our BLACK president ordered him to be killed.

 

[Donald Trump]

Well then if he's innocent of his crimes, prove it. Where's your evidence because at this point your claims of his innocence are insubstantial and futile. I find it hard to believe that the U.S. military would use surveillance tactics to confirm the location and identity of a man they've been trying to track down for the past decade. Someone who released videos via Al Jazeera TV mocking our government, our people, and everything else we stood for as a nation. I find it even harder to believe that some people such as yourself would voice an outcry of annoyance and frustration over the fact that the man wasn't put to trial. I'm going to use Adolf Hitler as an example. Everyone here knows without a doubt that he caused the atrocities of the Holocaust yet he, similar to Osama didn't have a direct hand in the killings of the people he murdered, that is to say he was not the one to lead them on foot to the gas chambers or conduct the horrific experiments on the millions of Jews, homosexuals, Polish, Russian, and countless other non-Aryan, non-Germanic peoples that were slaughtered and tortured. Should Hitler have been put to a fair trial before he inevitably (and supposedly, according to some people) committed suicide? Forget that he committed suicide, let's say that he had been killed by a team of soldiers or sniped out from a window by a U.S. soldier with a sniper rifle, would that death have been unjustified or wrong because he wasn't proven to be "innocent"? I'm proposing this to you because that's essentially what you're saying here: Whatever happened before his death and whatever he said was inconsequential.

Hitler was no different from Osama, he had a highly disillusioned and even egotistical outlook of the world and a very skewed perception of what was morally acceptable and just in his eyes. Osama thought of us, the American people as "infidels" so even though you say everything he did and said before his death was inconsequential--it wasn't. He murdered people, he wished death upon you, me, our families, and everyone else who was considered a non-Allah fearing person. If you weren't Muslim and if you didn't stand for what he stood for then he'd blow your head off. So while it's "touching" (sarcasm obviously intended here) that you feel he should've been put to trial and whilst everyone is entitled to the right to have their own opinion, I fail to see the logic in your reasoning.

Firstly, you cannot prove a negative.
Secondly, the burden of proof is always on the person who makes a claim. If you say something you must be able to prove it.
Also there's some debate over how much of the holocaust ordered by Hitler, and how much it had to do with what the German people wanted. Also it would have been a Soviet Sniper, it was the USSR that captured Berlin. And yes he would have been put on trial.
I don't mean to be offensive, but have you not heard of the Nuremburg Trials? In which the top Nazi officials were put on trial for war crimes? Had Hitler topped himself he would have been put on trial too.
Osama wasn't a racist like Hitler. He wanted the Middle East to be free from foreign influence. It's his version of the Monroe Doctrine if you like. He fought the Soviet Union to protect his people from the USSR.

Also, I don't think it is right under any circumstances to shoot an unarmed man.

He admitted to the crimes. There is physical video evidence of this all over the Internet. He admitted to the crimes before his death. His followers committed aforementioned crimes under his direction. He hated all infidels and wished death upon them. The above quote was said by him thus proving his beliefs about America and ultimately the West in general, ergo, he is and will never be innocent; at least not in the eyes of most people, including the U.S. government.

Whether you find it unjust or not, your opinions won't bring him back or undo the fact that his body was disposed of in the sea, it won't undo the fact that he was fired upon whether unarmed or not. And honestly the only people who can legitimately say "Yes" or "No, Osama was no armed when we shot him," were the people who actually put the bullet in his head, or his chest, or whatever. Not you, not me, and certainly not any other U.S. civilian that wasn't affiliated in any way with the Navy Seals that were dispatched to that mansion to kill him and any one else who refused to cooperate with their guidelines and instructions.

Well I apologize for making that "baseless assumption" but how could you question his innocence then? How could you with all the evidence laid in front of you question and even ponder it? It's angering to me because I do know what it's like to almost lose someone and this affected my family deeply.

I'm sure this is very persuasive, but it doesn't change the fact that he has not been found guilty by any court of law.
He's guilty according to the media and according to public opinion. Fortunately though, we live in a country in which people must be found guilty by a legitimate court before they can punished.

How dare you, my euphoria? He ruined the lives of my family, because of his "inconsequential" actions he has fucked over the lives of two people and irreversibly damaged my family. So how dare you say that my "euphoria" over his death just avenge a "paltry 3000" is disgusting. Think please before you type because that is just the worse possible thing you could say, you have no idea what I had to go through because of what transpired on 9/11. I'm not saying I have any entitlement to jubilantly celebrate his death because I actually didn't, I sat at home and watched the news and listened to everything calmly whilst I was chatting on the phone with my boyfriend. But you have no idea what I personally went through, what my cousin who lost his job had went through, psychologically and mentally, it damaged him. He had everything and lost it within the space of one day and none of my family members have viewed anything relating to that in the same way. Because of his actions my uncle would have died on that day, do you understand? I almost lost my uncle. Never mind that I psychologically "lost" a cousin but had my uncle not driven my cousins to school that day then he would be gone and I would be grieving, so don't you dare make that judgment about me. It's not about the "paltry death of 3000," it's that no one should have to suffer, this war shouldn't have happened in a first place, none of this should've happened.

I'm terribly sorry for any Osama induced trauma or suffering, but that doesn't change my opinion. But you are very focused on yourself. And that's my problem with the celebrations. Thousands of innocent people in Pakistan and Afghanistan and Iraq have been killed by American forces, yet no one is willing to accept any blame or responsibility. America would like to ignore those deaths. I don't think they should be allowed to. By celebrating you are saying that the lives of those on who died on September the 11th are worth remembering. But you ignore the deaths you've caused.

 

[Emyunoxious]

Well that certainly says a lot, that you don't empathize or at least understand where I or anyone is coming from. The man did not deserve a trial because he outright admitted his own crimes. What he did was hateful, disgusting, and terrible. He killed countless people, I'm not denying that we as a nation haven't slaughtered people either but he did it mindlessly with the intention of hurting families, without remorse, because he wanted to be accepted into Paradise in the name of Allah. How should he be given a fair trial for the atrocities he committed and countless amount of people's lives he destroyed. And what is this about white people and brown people? It has nothing to do with race, NOTHING, our BLACK president ordered him to be killed.

The fact that you can say that ANYONE does not deserve a trial shows that you have no understanding of how AmeriKKKa works. In fact, the idea that you don't have to try people is more in common with the terrorists behind 9/11 than the AmeriKKKan justice system. So, congrats for that.

War criminals got trials after WWII. Sorry, bud, but Osama isn't worse than Nazis. Everyone deserves a trial, even the one you're butthurt about.

Bawww 9/11 upset me no one deserves justice let's just kill muslims.


Fact: If the AmeriKKKan justice system was consistent, the soldiers that MURDERED him would be put on trial for WAR CRIMES.

 

[CassinoChips]

Ever hear of someone renouncing their confession? You still have to have a trial, buddy. He could have claimed to be responsible for any number of reasons.

I'm not your buddy, friend.

He had 7 years to rescind his confession, and the means to do so at any time. He never did.

However, I'm not even arguing that he had nothing to do with it. We didn't have a trial, so his sentencing was decided by a bunch of dropouts in military uniform.

Ad hominem attacks are a logical fallacy.

To recap: An unarmed man was murdered in cold blood by the military. If you do away with your preconceptions about who the media said this was, you'd understand how truly unjust this was.

To repeat: Killing an enemy combatant is not murder. Bin Laden entered into combat the minute the attacks took place. When the SEALS went in, they were met with armed resistance. You don't put each and every armed enemy combatant on trial. He admitted his guilt, claimed complicity, and refused to submit peaceably. For at least 7 years, at that. To call it unjust is short-sighted. To call it murder is ludicrous.

 

[Shu]

That's an accusation that should have been proven in a court of law.

This is the typical AmeriKKKan apology for these racial attacks. "Oh, uh, he was threatening that officer! The officer had to shoot him in the face!" Prove that he had anything to do with 9/11 in a court of law, or he is innocent.

I'm not calling you a racist. I'm just saying that AmeriKKKa has a massive boner for its armed forces, and even the racial killings perpetrated by them are almost always forgiven, in exactly the way you're doing now.

As far as I am concerned, Osama was an innocent who was murdered by AmeriKKKan soldiers. The justice system and I agree on this.

Alright, name calling will stop now. I sense you are trolling at this point anyway due to the fact of your signature/user status and the amount of threads created with questionable material in the first place. The bigotry will also stop. Based off your IP you are located in Bellingham, WA, USA. So good luck in convincing your own kind you are anti-american/anti-religious or anything of other nature.

Getting a rise, is what you are trying, if you are no longer wishing to base arguments on legit facts instead of accusations, then please avoid this thread. Due to your use of the word AmeriKKKa(an), your debate lost all credibility.

Please use these threads as a legitimate debate, instead of getting under people's skin.

 

[Rapture]

...This was unjust, and the soldiers who murdered him should be put on trial.

...and you will continue to fail to acknowledge the 3,000 lives that he ended in the World Trade Center September 11, 2001?? Amirite? Was anything about their lives ending in such a cruel, harsh, and premature way anything of the definition of the word just?

...and you show little respect for the word America. We have a black president as Cali has already stated...Muslim Americans, Asian Americans, African Americans, Hispanic Americans...The days of white superiority have long since been over...but you continue to propogate hate and ignorance with your slander of our country's name.

Get over it, whats done is done. He isn't coming back.

 

[Dee]

I think it's pretty hypocritical to bring up the idea of murdering for revenge because of a terrorist attack, and then looking at something like the supposedly good-hearted folks of downtown New York, innocent and vulnerable, stomping out a dream of having a recreation center as led by a mainly peaceful religion (quite obviously all of them are going to have their extremists.... *glares at Christianity* you're not off the hook) just a few blocks away from the WTC.

Hate is everywhere. It's in Iraq, in Pakistan, in America and it won't stop. So what if we have a black president? Does that make us non-prejudice against blacks? What about a female president? Why haven't we had one of those yet?

Now I'm not saying that killing Bin Laden was unjust or wrong. I think since he claimed responsibility and declared war on the American people that it was fully right to take him into custody, at least. The killing part I tend to be a bit hazy on, but that's not important. In any case, killing Osama Bin Laden will not bring along peace. In fact, it's probably triggered the opposite. Yeah, we took out one major player, but where there's one cockroach, there are many, many more. It's only a matter of time before we see another terrorist threat or act carried out. Terrorism will not be eliminated because of Bin Laden. He was only a pitiful fraction of the hate that exists in the world.

 

[Ohri-Jin]

This is what I heard from the news and news sites:

Osama Bin Laden was shot in the face.
He used his own woman as shield.
Special Forces were ordered SHOOT TO KILL..pure assasination
Special Forces shot his woman in the leg instead of Osama himself.
Osama was unarmed....they were ordered to kill anyway...

This is not humane...they should have showed an example..the better people, instead they brutally murdered one old douchebag.

Osama's 12 year old daughter was apparently an eyewitness and saw her own father get shot in the face..afterwards she got handcuffed...

That is not humane..

Special Forces and government and whatever purely took revenge...its a huge sin in the eyes of believers..and they celebrate afterwards...


Also the theory of Osama being a CIA agent or whatever..all the conspiracies etc..I dont believe in them but it sure makes me want to watch some documentaries from 9/11...

I dont like how USA handles business....goes for oil warfare as well...something smells freeking fishy...

 

[The Witch]

This is what I heard from the news and news sites:

Osama Bin Laden was shot in the face.
He used his own woman as shield.
Special Forces were ordered SHOOT TO KILL..pure assasination
Special Forces shot his woman in the leg instead of Osama himself.
Osama was unarmed....they were ordered to kill anyway...

This is not humane...they should have showed an example..the better people, instead they brutally murdered one old douchebag.

Osama's 12 year old daughter was apparently an eyewitness and saw her own father get shot in the face..afterwards she got handcuffed...

That is not humane..

Special Forces and government and whatever purely took revenge...its a huge sin in the eyes of believers..and they celebrate afterwards...

Umm, again, this could be a lie but Carney(i think it was)said the guards in Osama's room were the one's shooting. So in a way, he wasn't unarmed. He could have told his soldiers to stand down, but they didn't. Hence our actions.

Again, we are going to continue to celebrate that a dangerous man can't harm anyone ever again not because he's dead or because we're the one's that did it so we're gloating either.


But, after what was said today, they're not going to show us any evidence Osama's really dead. So, I don't particularly believe it now.

 

[blakstang98]

What I see as being hypocritical is people wanting to strap on their boots and refill the ammo in their assault rifles then take the first plane to Afghanistan to take out Bin Laden and the terrorists themselves. Then all of a sudden go about-face and say "I don't want war, I just want peace." Make up your damn mind instead of talking from both sides of your mouth.

 

[Harlequin]

I think a lot of Americans are far more interested in revenge than justice. That's fine. Just don't try to take the moral high ground.

I think that's the main reason why people have qualms over the celebrations. It feels like a celebration of revenge than that of justice being served.

To repeat: Killing an enemy combatant is not murder. Bin Laden entered into combat the minute the attacks took place. When the SEALS went in, they were met with armed resistance. You don't put each and every armed enemy combatant on trial. He admitted his guilt, claimed complicity, and refused to submit peaceably. For at least 7 years, at that. To call it unjust is short-sighted. To call it murder is ludicrous.

I wouldn't call an unarmed man a combatant. Don't get me wrong I'm not calling for any reprisals against those who conducted the operation, but if you subscribe to the idea that capture was ever on the agenda, several press releases from the White House would suggest this was a hamfisted attempt at best. The special forces are reported to have taken extensive measures to ensure Pakistan weren't aware of the operation before the start of the mission, flying through the mountains to avoid radar and choosing a night of low moonlight... yet they couldn't plan an adequate capture? After having practised the raid several times beforehand?

I'm not disputing whether or not the killing was just - or necessary for that matter, but what was carried out would seem more reminiscent of an assassination than a botched capture mission.

Officials described the reaction of the special operators when they were told a number of weeks ago that they had been chosen to train for the mission.


“They were told, ‘We think we found Osama bin Laden, and your job is to kill him,’” an official recalled.


The SEALs started to cheer.

Source -
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54151.html

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I think the bottom line here is whether or not he was dealt with justly, it was fair to assume that Osama was a dangerous, influential man who needed to be removed in some capacity. We're not on the ground when split second decisions are made and in the end whilst no one is above the law, there are certain situations - particularly in war when people deserve the benefit of the doubt for having made the sacrifices they've made to ensure our security.

 

[CassinoChips]

I wouldn't call an unarmed man a combatant. Don't get me wrong I'm not calling for any reprisals against those who conducted the operation, but if you subscribe to the idea that capture was ever on the agenda, several press releases from the White House would suggest this was a hamfisted attempt at best. The special forces are reported to have taken extensive measures to ensure Pakistan weren't aware of the operation before the start of the mission, flying through the mountains to avoid radar and choosing a night of low moonlight... yet they couldn't plan an adequate capture? After having practised the raid several times beforehand?

Armed resistance, whether it came from bin Laden or not, makes capture irrelevant and nearly impossible. He's also a combatant because of that resistance. And, more importantly, because of his actions on 9/11.

Also, Pakistan isn't exactly friendly with the U.S.

 

[Terra Branford]

Resistance can be made without being armed. Bin Laden did exactly that (resistance, armed or no) for 10 years up until his death.

You know what's inhumane? UBL himself. The world is lucky he isn't capable of doing more damage and killing more people.

Not in a court of law? Doesn't matter.

You're right; it doesn't matter if he got to court or not. He's still guilty

(quite obviously all of them are going to have their extremists.... *glares at Christianity* you're not off the hook)

1st: I love how whenever something is wrong with another, Christianity always has to be brought up, absolutely hilarious. The worse Christian extremists get even today is "anti-gays" and "anti-abortions" or some nuts like WBC saying "you will go to hell". There hasn't been an extremest Christian in forever, since a LONG long time. Most of which you put on Christians was committed by Catholics (though still many, many, many, many years ago) by a Pope, who was a militant leader, who didn't allow these Catholics to read, not even the Bible and forced them into a Crusade against Muslim conquests.
2nd: "mainly" peaceful? Yes, Muslims are peaceful here (in America, Canada, England and Italy [some others like Russa and Germany too]) and not all of them are "evil". But to say "mainly peace" when what's happening in the world (Saudi, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Palestine etc) contradicts that bold statement.
Thirdly and lastly: Your comparison of a terrorist to the people who don't what a Mosque (nice try, its an Islamic house of worship built only for Muslims and their religion. A swimming pool doesn't make it less of a Mosque) a stone-throw away from Ground Zero is unmistakeably wrong, incredibly ludicrous but also extremely insulting. To compare terrorists and their actions to protesters is just....Ugh.

 

[Sum1sgruj]

What I see as being hypocritical is people wanting to strap on their boots and refill the ammo in their assault rifles then take the first plane to Afghanistan to take out Bin Laden and the terrorists themselves. Then all of a sudden go about-face and say "I don't want war, I just want peace." Make up your damn mind instead of talking from both sides of your mouth.

We'll see what becomes of the eye for eye thing. The terrorists are still up and running. Bin Laden cannot be thought of as the 'head' of the serpent.
A new leader will come out of the woodwork and they will be looking for exaction. I see people saying 'we can relax now' and whatnot, when really this is the time to keep your eyes peeled. Super peeled. Like a banana.

 

[Roland_Deschain]

Called it.

So many believe that that just because two sources agree on something it must be true. It would hardly be the first time our government has done something like this. I'm sure there are times we don't even know about.

Let's hope they get caught at it, but I doubt it.

This is coming to the response that Obama "punkd" the world. First of all I am among one of those who very much so believe the news that he is dead and it is very much so a sigh of relief for all those who lost family and everyone can feel a little more comfortable.

But...come on man you are an american..."if" (and I stress the if) the american goverment is really making everything up...and got caught...would you really want the world to know your country has such lack of morality and shame. Would you really want them to get caught?

Also, do you really think they would risk a lie as huge as this one with the huge chances they would get caught if he was still alive? Come on..thats a stupid plan. Information could leak from anyone and Osama himself could let the world knmow he is alive. I hope you dont think that your own goverment is stupid enough to take such a risk at losing face.

 

[Ayumi Hamasaki]

But...come on man you are an american..."if" (and I stress the if) the american goverment is really making everything up...and got caught...would you really want the world to know your country has such lack of morality and shame. Would you really want them to get caught?

Also, do you really think they would risk a lie as huge as this one with the huge chances they would get caught if he was still alive? Come on..thats a stupid plan. Information could leak from anyone and Osama himself could let the world knmow he is alive. I hope you dont think that your own goverment is stupid enough to take such a risk at losing face.

Honestly it's hardly the first time that my government has lied. People, for the most part, already seem to think that of us anyway. It hardly matters rather they lied about it now, the PR damage has already been done by them and other citizens.

There's a thousand different possibilities in this case, and I certainly do believe that my government is stupid enough to risk losing such face. I'm also willing to bed that I'm not the only one.

Just because they're the government doesn't mean I have to support them, believe everything they say, or think they are doing the best thing for the country.

1st: I love how whenever something is wrong with another, Christianity always has to be brought up, absolutely hilarious. The worse Christian extremists get even today is "anti-gays" and "anti-abortions" or some nuts like WBC saying "you will go to hell". There hasn't been an extremest Christian in forever, since a LONG long time. Most of which you put on Christians was committed by Catholics (though still many, many, many, many years ago) by a Pope, who was a militant leader, who didn't allow these Catholics to read, not even the Bible and forced them into a Crusade against Muslim conquests.
2nd: "mainly" peaceful? Yes, Muslims are peaceful here (in America, Canada, England and Italy [some others like Russa and Germany too]) and not all of them are "evil". But to say "mainly peace" when what's happening in the world (Saudi, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Palestine etc) contradicts that bold statement.
Thirdly and lastly: Your comparison of a terrorist to the people who don't what a Mosque (nice try, its an Islamic house of worship built only for Muslims and their religion. A swimming pool doesn't make it less of a Mosque) a stone-throw away from Ground Zero is unmistakeably wrong, incredibly ludicrous but also extremely insulting. To compare terrorists and their actions to protesters is just....Ugh.

I love the way Christinaity loves to whitewash itself to innocence, and pretend that nothing it does is ever as bad as other religions, or that it's in the past. Of course, when ever I bring up anything bad about the religion or it's practitioners, and not say it about all of them mind, someone will accuse me of lying or saying they haven't experienced the same, so it must not be true.

And does that make them any less responsible for their actions. And are you honestly suggesting that Islamic extremists can't be made the same way you excuse the crusades? Forgive me but I don't believe that Osama was heavily into educating people on the world many different and beautiful cultures.

Two, Muslims are mainly peaceful. In fact, I've not met anyone who exemplifies the values that are preached by a small group in the Middle East. I even know a gay Muslim. So like any religion it has it's good guys and it's bad guys. Of course, yet again, I'll probably be excused of lying for no reason other than my opinion disagrees.

Protesters? Yeah nice try. Bigots is more like it. Muslims didn't attack the World Trade Centers, a terrorist organization that is made up of Muslims did. That doesn't make the whole group any guiltier. Thanks for bringing that up by the way, it's yet another way "American Patriotism" encourages an Us vs Them image. Oh no evil Muslims want to build a Mosque near the location of terrorists attack.

I suppose we should have protested allowing churches near the sites of the abortion clinic bombings? Same logic.