When was the last time you were harassed and attacked for mentioning a Final Fantasy game you enjoy?

[flybypie]

And how obvious was it that it was just some sad loser who can't stand the fact that games they don't like not only exist but are more popular than some of the games those jerks like?

 

[Linnaete]

No, I can't say it's ever happened to me.

But.

I won't deny that in the past I have behaved in an unreasonably condescending manner towards other people who like a Final Fantasy game that I thoroughly detest. Guilty as charged. Years later and I've enough maturity and introspection in me now to know that I was likely an insufferable knob like 5-6 years ago.

Right now I'm just like - another person likes something I don't and it's no big deal at all. Different stokes for different people. Like what you like and you should be free to do so without facing a barrage of insults about it. Some people simply need to grow up, though this is the internet, where hyperbole and overreactions rule the roost. I'm not exactly optimistic about that happening.

 

[FinalxxSin]

And how obvious was it that it was just some sad loser who can't stand the fact that games they don't like not only exist but are more popular than some of the games those jerks like?

While I have not had to deal with the problem directly, I have seen some fans of FFXIII get attacked by people that did not like the game on YouTube. Some of the people that did not like the game even went as far as telling others that did that they have no taste in games, along with possible name calling. It was a sad time indeed, and it makes me embarrassed to be associated with this fan base at times.

 

[Dionysos]

I don’t think that I’ve ever been harassed. If I have I haven’t noticed or interpreted it as harassment.

I’ve had people disagree with me, but that’s not harassment. Debating opinions and discussing different stances is healthy food for a sensible mind. This applies to anything; not just fandom.

Though on the internet you find a lot of trolls who just don't care about anything. They're bored and want a reaction so they say a silly thing to try and upset people. Better to be stoically minded on this and not let things like that bother you. It is, after all, often the silliest of nonsense. None of it matters at all and it is best to ignore it if you don't want to engage with it.

 

[rowe]

Nah, I personally haven't. But, at other places I've been at, it seemed like FFIX hate was pretty normal. While it's not my favorite of the main games, it's not horrible by any means.

There's nothing wrong with debating your viewpoints about a game, but if one has to resort to trolling/flaming/etc, then whatever point they're attempting to make is already moot.

 

[JigoKuu]

I won't deny that in the past I have behaved in an unreasonably condescending manner towards other people who like a Final Fantasy game that I thoroughly detest. Guilty as charged. Years later and I've enough maturity and introspection in me now to know that I was likely an insufferable knob like 5-6 years ago.

I think it's great that you realised this!C: Everyone makes mistakes. We can't change what happened, but I do believe you underwent some fantastic growth!^^
I really like to realise if I made a mistake/behaved wrong (even that it hurts sometimes). That way I know that I still improve and can become a better person by avoiding my past mistakes.
Thank you for sharing your story with us!




I was never attacked or harassed for playing FF games. The "worst" was when I mentioned that I played FFI and I'm playing FFII now (I was asked which games I played/I'm playing), and I felt that the other person looks down on me for playing not the newest game but this older one. I somehow can't really understand the two extremity: playing just old games and the opposite, playing just the new ones. I have no problem with that in general, but I don't really like when people believe that their path is the only good path. I mean everybody can do whatever they would like, play games they want to play, but I don't have to do that in the way they think I should. I don't think it's a good think to look down on people who have different opinion or taste. Or to look down on older games (for example FFI and FFII), just because they aren't the newest and they don't have the best graphics. And of course the opposite: to believe that only older games are good and the new ones are rubbish because "they are beautiful but have no story at all". Truth doesn't "work" like that x,D

To be honest, I'm not really interested in other people's opinion and I don't feel bad about what happened. That person doesn't like older games, I'm only sorry that she won't play really cool games just because "they are old". But it's her decision.

 

[iSmiff]

Probably have, can't remember anything specific but it's the nature of fanboyism - what I like is the best and you're wrong and you suck and so on. It's all part of being on the internet though. It's an uncensored medium where people can hide behind keyboards and face no repercussions for their actions.

We obviously wouldn't tolerate that sort of abusive or harassing behaviour here though, so if you notice anything of that nature then make sure that you report the culprit

 

[flybypie]

This. You can carry on celebrating stuff like FFXIII, belly button lint and James Milner and i'll celebrate other things.

No wonder an entire section of the forum for one of the best-selling games in the series is dead. Even a moderator takes joy in harassing the fans. I wouldn't be surprised if he just bans them when he can't stand hearing about how not everyone in the world thinks exactly like him.

 

[FinalxxSin]

No wonder an entire section of the forum for one of the best-selling games in the series is dead. Even a moderator takes joy in harassing the fans. I wouldn't be surprised if he just bans them when he can't stand hearing about how not everyone in the world thinks exactly like him.

The reason why that section of the forum is mainly dead is because there isn't a lot of stuff to talk about at this point. All of the heated controversy has came and past if you look at the times a lot of the posts were made for the series. Despite the success of FFXIII, it did push a good number of people away from forums like this. This is a reality you are going to have to accept. The situation is not to be blamed on a single person.

 

[flybypie]

Despite the success of FFXIII, it did push a good number of people away from forums like this. This is a reality you are going to have to accept. The situation is not to be blamed on a single person.

And that is because you cannot make a thread celebrating the game's birthday without someone who desperately needs to spam the usual bitching and bullshit.

You cannot mention the game without some asshole trying to make your life hell for it. No one but them gives a shit what they think, but thanks to them, trying to have a conversation with fellow FFXIII fans is pointless.

And when a moderator is able to do this, then no fans will bother with the site—because they know perfectly well that the moderation staff condones the harassment of people who just want to converse with fellow fans.

 

[Rey]

No wonder an entire section of the forum for one of the best-selling games in the series is dead. Even a moderator takes joy in harassing the fans. I wouldn't be surprised if he just bans them when he can't stand hearing about how not everyone in the world thinks exactly like him.

None of this makes any sense in relation to Ismiff. Our forum has actually been low on activity ever since FFXIII got sequels. He is a relatively new moderator and pardon me, but what are you even talking about? He has an opinion that you are taking far too seriously. That is the only thing I see here.

 

[flybypie]

None of this makes any sense in relation to Ismiff. Our forum has actually been low on activity ever since FFXIII got sequels. He is a relatively new moderator and pardon me, but what are you even talking about? He has an opinion that you are taking far too seriously. That is the only thing I see here.

Right, you don't give a crap about a moderator insulting the tastes of people who dare to like a game he doesn't, and personally derailing the thread to make it completely inhospitable to actual fans.

You really have to wonder what kind of a sad loser cheers on the fact that fans of a game cannot even mention the game without some psychopath crapping their pants.

 

[Dionysos]

Let's be careful here.

If you have an issue about anyone then use the report feature (responsibly and for a genuine grievance) or PM an Administrator and we can talk about the issue. We will respond.

A thread like this is not productive, so let’s not use this for a personal issue which you have with a member of staff. This isn't the appropriate place.

Moderators are staff but they do not stop being members of the community and are also entitled to their opinions on games and in discussion threads. The post which sparked this was an opinion, nothing more. iSmiff's opinion is his own, and does not mean that the entirety of FFF’s staff agree (although some will). It's not an 'official FFF stance' or anything like that. I'm sure that iSmiff wasn't trying to shut down discussion or make people feel unwelcome at all.

I see no evidence of harassment but if you have evidence of such then please send it in a PM to an Administrator.

If you would like this thread to remain open to discuss the topic proposed in the first post (which I responded to without realising the context) then that's fine, but please let's not use it as a platform for a personal grievance with a particular person on this forum.

 

[FinalxxSin]

And that is because you cannot make a thread celebrating the game's birthday without someone who desperately needs to spam the usual bitching and bullshit.

You cannot mention the game without some asshole trying to make your life hell for it. No one but them gives a shit what they think, but thanks to them, trying to have a conversation with fellow FFXIII fans is pointless.

And when a moderator is able to do this, then no fans will bother with the site—because they know perfectly well that the moderation staff condones the harassment of people who just want to converse with fellow fans.

Then you have admitted defeat in that situation, and they got what they wanted. You always have the option to hold a convo in private here with somebody that does like FFXIII and not have to deal with interruptions. Do you have a right to be angry? Imo yes, but also keep in mind that anger probably isn't going to change anything. Most people are going to act how they want, and there really isn't anything you can do about it most of the time. Find a few people you can get along with ok, preferably ones that can in a healthy manner challenge you on some points, and go from there. If you want to chat about FFXIII, make a thread about it here on the forum, or pm me about it. This is going to be my last response to you on this thread.

 

[flybypie]

That's right. Of course. You're never going to be able to have civil discussion about something you enjoy because the people who have no lives. And rather than actually do something about the people who make it their mission in life to harass and attack and derail every conversation, those people who simply wish to share their enjoyment of it should just suck it up and go honk themselves.

I might as well do what those bullies have wanted all this time and shut the hell up about liking something they don't.

 

[ZaXo Ken'Ichi]

That's right. Of course. You're never going to be able to have civil discussion about something you enjoy because the people who have no lives. And rather than actually do something about the people who make it their mission in life to harass and attack and derail every conversation, those people who simply wish to share their enjoyment of it should just suck it up and go honk themselves.

I might as well do what those bullies have wanted all this time and shut the hell up about liking something they don't.

So far, you're the only one I've seen here that's harassing people. Sounds remarkably like you're trying to troll, because you're being so hostile and judgemental. Seriously reread the things you're saying compared to what you're responding to. There are comments you should get upset over, and some you shouldn't. I haven't seen any comment so far that you should be this concerned over. Not to mention, crying out that someone is attacking fans is a lot less productive than just using logic and fact to prove them wrong. And this is coming from someone who is a staunch defender of XIII, and has devoted years now to dissecting it to find all the gold hidden inside. I know that game like the back of my hand, and am so, soooo tired of the "This game ruined Final Fantasy!" rhetoric that plagues the internet. But I can assure you that very, very little mean spirited talk like that goes on here. So maybe settle down and have a civilized discussion. After all, you can't adamantly stand by the idea that 'haters' refuse to have civilized discussions... and then use that as an excuse for why you yourself won't try to start a civilized discussion about the game in question.

All that being said, the internet is full of harassment. I have dealt with my fair share when dealing with Final Fantasy. It doesn't bother me, because usually I can just bury their bullshit in well worded, logical arguments.

The only 'real' harassment I dealt with pertaining to Final Fantasy, was back in school, when everyone would make fun of me for preferring games where 'numbers popped out of enemies when you attacked them, instead of blood and guts'. Didn't bother me even then though, because I wasn't embarrassed of my own preferences.

My big issue with the harassment comes from how it effects the industry. Devs and publishers listen really closely to their communities these days. And the irrational love or hate for specific things drives games in certain ways. It's why skinner box loot-fest design that manipulates players into repeating mundane tasks is all the rage, because people will judge games like Destiny or Borderlands as 'perfect'. It's why games like Mirror's Edge Catalyst will sacrifice a lot of the precision and depth its predecessor had, by using a somewhat poorly thought out open world structure, because people refuse to see linear design as anything but a problem. My problem, is that all the complaints that are super loud yet devoid of reflection or thought... they homogenize games, and prevent us from getting more polished, focused, and diverse experiences. All because a few big mouthed punks think their expectations are universal and should be heeded as gospel.

 

[shivas]

I won't say harassed but, I've been teased a lot I suppose.

I've played both FFXIII and FFXIII-2 (gave lightening returns a shot but I couldn't cope with the "limited amount of time to do stuff" restraint), anyways I've enjoyed the games quite a lot, played 13-2 more than once, got the platinum trophy and all, but yeah I guess I don't mention it as much around fans just because I'd like to avoid their opinions on it (whether they were positive or negative) in general.

I've mentioned in some forums yeeeaaars ago that I really enjoyed FFX-2
and someone called me a f*ggot

I still get constantly teased about liking ff games in general by my siblings and friends though, "what would you enjoy about games where you have to wait for your turn to attack?" or "you literally keep clicking the same button over and over again how is that fun?" and stuff like "I hope ISP blocks your access again to that annoying online game you play all the time" etc (yeah I play ffxiv in the living room and it annoys them so much)

 

[ZaXo Ken'Ichi]

I won't say harassed but, I've been teased a lot I suppose.

I've played both FFXIII and FFXIII-2 (gave lightening returns a shot but I couldn't cope with the "limited amount of time to do stuff" restraint), anyways I've enjoyed the games quite a lot, played 13-2 more than once, got the platinum trophy and all, but yeah I guess I don't mention it as much around fans just because I'd like to avoid their opinions on it (whether they were positive or negative) in general.

I've mentioned in some forums yeeeaaars ago that I really enjoyed FFX-2
and someone called me a f*ggot

I still get constantly teased about liking ff games in general by my siblings and friends though, "what would you enjoy about games where you have to wait for your turn to attack?" or "you literally keep clicking the same button over and over again how is that fun?" and stuff like "I hope ISP blocks your access again to that annoying online game you play all the time" etc (yeah I play ffxiv in the living room and it annoys them so much)

Yeah, it's funny to think FFX-2 used to be the punching bag. Everyone thought it was the worst thing evaaaar because of things like Dressphere's being 'too girly', and would verbally beat the crap out of anyone who disagreed. Now most of those people are finally adult enough to admit that the combat was super engaging, and love what the Dressphere system offers.

Fastforward to Lightning Returns, and a brand new set of full grown adult-children say that game is the worst thing ever, because 'changing clothes to change jobs? Is this a fashion dress-up game?'. Oh the irony.

FFX-2 is fun okay! It's super silly, and girly, and a little broken at times, but it's dingledang fun alright?! XD

 

[FinalxxSin]

Fastforward to Lightning Returns, and a brand new set of full grown adult-children say that game is the worst thing ever, because 'changing clothes to change jobs? Is this a fashion dress-up game?'. Oh the irony.

I can provide some criticism toward that. Lightning is somebody that is defined by her actions, not so much what she wears. To say the least, there were several garbs that I know for a fact that she would never wear herself. I understand the developers wanted to aim for her to be dressed to what a player likes, but I think there should be consideration for the character's personality when it isn't a blank canvas.

 

[flybypie]

I can provide some criticism toward that. Lightning is somebody that is defined by her actions, not so much what she wears. To say the least, there were several garbs that I know for a fact that she would never wear herself. I understand the developers wanted to aim for her to be dressed to what a player likes, but I think there should be consideration for the character's personality when it isn't a blank canvas.

No one gives a shit about job system outfits in other games.

Funny how most criticisms are things people love about their favourite games, and yet they bitch about it when a game other people enjoy does it.