Who is the best Final Fantasy villian?

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The villain of the villains

In my opinion Kefka was the best villain in series of FF games. Why? Heres why:

Kefka:
-Kefka was only a crazy general that gained his powers by infusing esper powers into him so he didn't have all super-duper powers at beginning
-He got the power from Warring Triads and become the threat to whole planet
-He used his powers to made people bow to him, and if anyone doesn't wants to he destroys the town with Light of Judgement

Exdeath:
-Exdeath was already a villain with super powers
-He merged two planets just to get the power of Void
-He wanted to destroy all his enemies with Void

Zemus:
-He was only a lunar freak that controlled Golbez's mind
-He got his true powers my transforming into Zeromus

Kuja:
-He already had his super powers
-He wanted to get powers from some stones
-He destroyed the planet because he found out he has set time when he dies

Yu Yevon:
-He just created Sin and went destroying towns


Basically, Kefka rised from a ordinary man to a threat to the world.
 
Well I agree with Kefka being great, but he ranks below Sephiroth in my eyes.
 
dude kefka sucks in comparrison to Sephiroth. Sephiroth has the power of the black materia, an amazing baddie look with the long silver hair and evil looking black-coat, sephiroth has 3 deciples (Loz, Yazoo, and kadaj) and he uses a sword that is amazingly powerful and only he can weild it
 
Black-rose-2k7 said:
sephiroth has 3 deciples (Loz, Yazoo, and kadaj) and he uses a sword that is amazingly powerful and only he can weild it
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...both of those statements are wrong.

Kadaj Yazoo and Loz are Remnants of Sephiroth, not his "Disciples" They each embody something different about Sephiroth, Loz for example, is the physical representation of Sephiroths childishness (And cruelty too, if i recollect correctly)

And, Tifa weilded Sephiroths sword after he struck down her father ;) so it's not exclusive only to him. It may be his signiture weapon, but it's not something only he can weild.

Sephiroth may be the most famous villain, but Kefka and Kuja accomplished more.

Sephiroth stabbed Aerith.
Kuja blew up his home planet.
Kefka ripped apart, and ruled the world.

Out of all of them, only Kefka actually accomplished what he set out to do. Regardless, Sephiroth is more of a "villain" than the other two are IMO. He has the silent evil vibe, and has an unmatched legion of fanboys.

Although in Japan Kefka is the 2nd most popular villain, after Sephiroth.
 
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Well actually tifa can't exactly use sephiroth's weapon properly. Anyone could pick it up and swing it but not as well as sephiroth.
 
But the fact it could be weilded by another just proves it is not a 'sephiroth only' sword, anyone with the right experience in swordplay could use it probably

and I must add, Kefka was the best villain, he planned pretty much everything from the start, he killed his creator, manipulated the godesses, shifted the very continents of the world, defeated an entire army of espers, if that ain't power I don't know what is.
 
as for kefka and sephiroth i loved sephy but kefaaka was soo mouch better at being evil sephiroth is love buy final fantasy 7 fan boys. i am not fanboy twords any final fantays and love them all

kefka does much more messed up things (rember the poision and when he killed the espers) i think he has this won
 
Kefka is completely 1-Dimensional, he's nothing but a completely watered down form of The Joker, who tries to act like he's a DBZ villain.

Honestly, he's the most overrated antagonist ever. My gosh, do we all rank antagonist on how many kill counts and how many energy blast they can summon from a tower or from their body?

Honestly now, "had" Sephiroth's plan of meteor worked...guess what. We would've had a Bad Ending. I don't know if any of you know about meter's, however the one that's the size of the one in FFVII was at leas 3-5 times better than the one that hit our own planet 65 million yrs ago, which was around 6-miles in diameter.

Since the one in VII was almost the size of a metropolitan city, that would've been a bigger catastrophe. If the 6-miled meteor was capable of wiping out 65% of life in a matter of minutes...I could only imagine that one that was to hit the FF VII world.

With that being said, what Kefka and Kuja achieved in their elite status, they where able to be defeated. "Had" Sephiroth of achieved his God-Like status, nobody would have been able to beaten him. Another factor that we have to take in is this, Sephiroth through Pre-Nimble, VII and AC has never shown his full potential, and he's the most powerful being the VII universe, so much is still in the air about his full elite powers.

With all of this being said, these are my Three Elitist, judged by overall character more than just kill counts and power.


Sephiroth
Kuja
Delita (Not part of true FF series, but close enough)

These characters brought some of the best things to the table, and they had powerful ideaologies as well as having a strong connection with the main protagonist for the games they represented. All of these are winning formulas to a great antagonist.
 
im pretty sure that jecht was more of a boos then yu yevon was since u cant lose to yu yevon its impossible since u have autolife. when u fought jecht u actually had to battle him strategically (for me i summoned like 5 aeons to beat him but watever :))
 
TrueSephiros said:
Kefka is completely 1-Dimensional, he's nothing but a completely watered down form of The Joker, who tries to act like he's a DBZ villain.

Honestly, he's the most overrated antagonist ever. My gosh, do we all rank antagonist on how many kill counts and how many energy blast they can summon from a tower or from their body?

Honestly now, "had" Sephiroth's plan of meteor worked...guess what. We would've had a Bad Ending. I don't know if any of you know about meter's, however the one that's the size of the one in FFVII was at leas 3-5 times better than the one that hit our own planet 65 million yrs ago, which was around 6-miles in diameter.

Since the one in VII was almost the size of a metropolitan city, that would've been a bigger catastrophe. If the 6-miled meteor was capable of wiping out 65% of life in a matter of minutes...I could only imagine that one that was to hit the FF VII world.

With that being said, what Kefka and Kuja achieved in their elite status, they where able to be defeated. "Had" Sephiroth of achieved his God-Like status, nobody would have been able to beaten him. Another factor that we have to take in is this, Sephiroth through Pre-Nimble, VII and AC has never shown his full potential, and he's the most powerful being the VII universe, so much is still in the air about his full elite powers.

With all of this being said, these are my Three Elitist, judged by overall character more than just kill counts and power.


Sephiroth
Kuja
Delita (Not part of true FF series, but close enough)

These characters brought some of the best things to the table, and they had powerful ideaologies as well as having a strong connection with the main protagonist for the games they represented. All of these are winning formulas to a great antagonist.
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More sephiroth fanboys... >.> you did notice Kefka DID accomplish what he set out to do, not attempt and fail... He completely scarred the face of the planet. And your sad sephiroth-sized attempt to narrow kefka's personality down to a joker/dbz villain wanna be...please... he is INSANE and not sephiroth insane, not a lets wipe out all life on the planet because you hurt-ed my mommy insane... and he DID achieve near-god powers... he just didnt wield a huge sword and have a spikey haired mute following him around...

As for the DBZ reference... dude, just the man shoots a large energy beam from his tower makes him a wannabe DBZ villain... thats reaching man... so then sabin is a wannabe DBZ hero... and pretty much anyone who wields magic falls under that heading, since DBZ does have energy auras, sparks of electricity... and if you wanna reach, Sephiroth does remind me of Frieza, with the whole blow up the world by smashing something into it, albiet Frieza was using a ball of energy and Sephiroth TRIED to use a ball of rock
 
Shiirow said:
More sephiroth fanboys... >.> you did notice Kefka DID accomplish what he set out to do, not attempt and fail... He completely scarred the face of the planet. And your sad sephiroth-sized attempt to narrow kefka's personality down to a joker/dbz villain wanna be...please... he is INSANE and not sephiroth insane, not a lets wipe out all life on the planet because you hurt-ed my mommy insane... and he DID achieve near-god powers... he just didnt wield a huge sword and have a spikey haired mute following him around...

As for the DBZ reference... dude, just the man shoots a large energy beam from his tower makes him a wannabe DBZ villain... thats reaching man... so then sabin is a wannabe DBZ hero... and pretty much anyone who wields magic falls under that heading, since DBZ does have energy auras, sparks of electricity... and if you wanna reach, Sephiroth does remind me of Frieza, with the whole blow up the world by smashing something into it, albiet Frieza was using a ball of energy and Sephiroth TRIED to use a ball of rock
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The reason why I compared Kefka to a DBZ villain is because his personality fits the bill firmly. Pure Evil+Insanity+Powerful...what do you have after that? Really nothing? What has Kefka proved? That he's powerful, that he's evil?

How in the world does that judge him above someone like Sephiroth? Kefka's personality is so 1-dimensional, heck I could write a story about a villain who is Pure Evil is just insane and can go around wiping out an entire world.

The fact is, during Kefka's reign in FFVII, you know nothing about him, except he's just kills to kill, and that's quite it?

That to me is no different then comparing someone like Galactus to Magneto in the Marvel World.

Sure Galactus would destroy Magneto in everyway, however Magneto is an infinitely better antagonist because he has far more character, far more personality, and you get to see more of him a whole, and mind you, Magneto is far from being a Pure Evil I want to kill everything persona as well.

For Kefka, we see none of this, all we see, is just simply how "evil" he is...and evil doesn't push you very far in the line of antagonist in any way whatsoever. That is what is called Simple Evil, just look at the DBZ villains and look at Kefka again, they have extremely close similarities.

If we compared FirePower, then Ultimecia in the FF series has basically..umm..No Equal...yet, she was a horrible antagonist as well. Also, me a Fanboy...please, at least I have the notion to put the overall development of the character over how evil or how much power he packs.

Also, just so you know, Kefka and Kuja both failed, in the end, what matters is who's standing and who isn't. In the end, both have gone the way of the Dodo, if I wanted to, I could say, although Sephiroth has failed...he has come back...what about Kefka or Kuja? Obviously Sephiroths mentality>>>>>>>those two if he could achieve this right?

My point is, don't judge an antagonist and use "evil" + "Power" to completely judge an antagonist. Especially someone like Kefka who has no personality beyond the "I want to blow up this city!"

Even I could create a character like that within a whim.
 
Could you stop with DBZ comparison, it confuses me.

I went on researching about Sephiroth guy and guess what I found. Sephiroth was injected with jenova cells making him stronger.
But Kefka was only infused with some esper powers. Basically when Sephiroth was injected with jenova cells his power went up, but Kefka's power went up when he drained the powers from Warring Triad, or so called three esper gods.
Kefka was more successful with what he want.
But there is one thing Kefka and Sephiroth have in common, you kick they're @$$.
 
To be honest would Kefka and Kuja of did what they did if they had Cloud and his team on their case?

Sephiroth only fails because he has kick ass enemies fighting against him.
 
Danijel said:
Could you stop with DBZ comparison, it confuses me.

I went on researching about Sephiroth guy and guess what I found. Sephiroth was injected with jenova cells making him stronger.
But Kefka was only infused with some esper powers. Basically when Sephiroth was injected with jenova cells his power went up, but Kefka's power went up when he drained the powers from Warring Triad, or so called three esper gods.
Kefka was more successful with what he want.
But there is one thing Kefka and Sephiroth have in common, you kick they're @$$.
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Firstly, Sephiroth has No Control over the injection of Jenova cells. For crying out loud, he was an infant at the time. So what took place during these events, he had absolutely no control over.

Secondly, Sephiroth's achievements are highly, highly underestimated. Remember here, Kefka's achievements although grand, where not apocalyptic, meaning, that people where still able to survive afterwards, and still had a chance of hope to defeating him. In which they did, and mind you, this is Kefka at his upmost peak.

Sephiroth's achievement would have apocalyptic, meaning that had meteor of impacted. more than 70%+ life would've been wiped out from existence, the Lifestream tries to come and heal the plane of this wound, however it instead is consumed by Sephiroth. He then becomes a God, and creates, remember here, creates a New World and Life within his image.

Look at these two very distinct paths, in one end, the other is beatable at his peak, in the other end, there is no equal.

You have it where Sephiroth summons a meteor, not only that, but the Weapons are then summoned to defend the planet, and are now going across the entire planet on a rampage. Not only that, but the entire civilization on the world is going into mass panic and meltdown.

Then at the very end, when Meteor is going to destroy the planet, Holy comes into affect, and yet. At the end, Holy isn't enough, but not only do it take an extraordinary magic to take affect, but the entire lifestream from the planet in order to successfully destroy Meteor from annihilating the world.

So in the end, it not only took Cloud and the gang to try and stop Sephiroth, but it took a power beyond even their own control to finally put an end to Sephiroth's plan.

That is a far larger and far more dangerous scale, and this I guess is not a catastrophic enough situation for some of you people?

Mind you, that Sephiroth achieved all of this only doing this from a mentality standpoint from his position from the Northern Crater. That alone pushes him into the elite status.

He doesn't even move a single muscle and yet he sets into motion that would've doomed the entire world. That's what makes an antagonist even more dangerous, when he can achieve his goals without even resorting to pyhsically doing it him/herself, not to mention he is never dead, which shows another sign of his character, even without a true body, he can still wreck havoc, since he has not died, so his persona still lingers and can always be a threat regardless.

So how is Sephiroth an underdog? You ask me that, his achievements are mind boggling, and yet he cannot die and can still potentially still achieve his goal. Those are my reasons exactly, he is completely underrated by some of you people, since he was never overrated to begin with.
 
Kuja would have destroyed the existence of all existence ... I think that trumps "apocalyptic".

Didn't Kefka actually "Ruin" the world? How is that not apocalyptic? :\
 
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^ Why would you say that? Would you care to give a reason??


Anyways this is a GOOD thread the first 2 pages were very informative.
IMO I'd say Sephy was the most cold blooded of FF villains.

Sure other villains "attack" you or sit from afar blowing stuff up but how many FF villains have you seen run a sword through one of the main characters causing death.

Kuja was the coolest of villains. He was arrogant, vain, and deplorable. all great things for the makings of a great villain.

Kefka was funny. He cracked me up. And he was THE first voice of any FF game. Classic.
 
Grand_Lethal said:
Kuja would have destroyed the existence of all existence ... I think that trumps "apocalyptic".

Didn't Kefka actually "Ruin" the world? How is that not apocalyptic? :\
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Agreed, and Kuja did much more of that whole not lifting a finger thing. He created the black mages, manipulated Brahne to destroy the rival kingdoms and invade a neighboring continent. He stole the Eidelons from Garnet, absorbed the very souls/mist the Invincible collected to become more powerful, destroyed a great portion of his own planet on his own (he didn't need to summon any uber spells) and even managed to kill the party and send them to the Hill of Despair. Even in battle he's a mage and doesn't need to use physical attacks.

So Kuja wins, I think.
 
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