Who is the best Final Fantasy villian?

lol sephiroth fan boys would defend he to the death lol. he was a whiney baby. seriously. admit it. ohh i was created my ancestors planet was taken. ima cry a river.

i think kefka was more "cold hearted" then sehpy

but i gota admit sephiroth had a awesome last boss. way way way better then kefkas one winged angel was also better the the theme it plays with kefka


you guys also forgot anothers awesome villian

my faveorite GLIGAMESH
 
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Grand_Lethal said:
Kuja would have destroyed the existence of all existence ... I think that trumps "apocalyptic".

Didn't Kefka actually "Ruin" the world? How is that not apocalyptic? :\
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There are very big distinguishes that I'm making, did you guys not read my post or what? Firstly, many of you who branded Sephiroth as to not "achieving" anything must have been blindsided by your ideals, which I had to come out and stamp out the facts straight out to put Sephiroth's scenario into play.

Another factor, Kefka's World of Ruin was just that, a World of Ruin. Yet, surprisingly, a world in which people could still rebuild and continue on with life, most importantly, they still had hope.

It would have been nothing compared to a Meteor devastating the planet. Your comparing 70% of all life wiped out within a whim after the impact of the meteor. Civilization would've been wiped out as a result of that, there would of been next to nothing being able to survive. That would've been far more devastating then the World of Ruin I'm sorry to say, not only that, but Sephiroth's lvl of power would have been far, far beyond that of Kefka's if he had absorbed the lifestream.

To the point of being undefeatable...reasons why he had to be beaten before this time period. Not after, in which case, for both Kuja and Kefka, they where infact defeatable. Zidane was the chosen one to beat Kuja, Alexander was summoned by Terra and the gang to defeat Kefka. At the point Sephiroth would've reached his goal, nobody would have been his equal.

After the World of Ruin, people where still thriving, infact thriving enough that they where able to topple Kefka. However, let's look at the biggest issue, All three characters, Sephiroth, Kuja, and Kefka have three very different paths in their storylines as antagonist.

Sephiroth's ultimate goal was to not go around and kill hundreds or thousands of people. His goal was to wound the planet so that he could become a living God. He did not need to go and wipe out Wutai, or to go and destroy Midgar or to topple down Gold Saucer, or to randomly kill people for the sake of racking a huge kill list, his main focus was to the wound the planet.

Kuja destroyed the things he needed too, because it was needed in order for him to achieve his goals, if not, he wouldn't just go around randomly killing people for the sake of killing.

The only character to do this is Kefka, he's is the most simple minded antagonist from VI onward, with his notion to just simply kill for the sake of killing, so obviously, his kill count is higher than most antagonist within the FF series.

But, let's throw away all of these asides for one moment, it seems like power to destroy is the ONLY factor so many of you seem to point out. Let's just say Sephiroth did infact wound the planet enough and became a God, not only would he have the potential to destroy life at this lvl (he was already capable of doing that from before) but he also would have the power to create life, something that he clearly stated by saying that he would create a new world. Creation of life...hmm, it seems to me that no other FF antagonist, even Kuja or Kefka at their most elite where capable of such a feat.

Infact Kuja was dying, and Kefka was not invincible, these are clear indications why Sephiroth was not meant to have meteor be successful. How fun would it be for us to play 50+ hrs on FFVII only to have Sephiroth achieve his goal, become immortal as a living God and win?

My sentiments exactly, so there is everysingle perfect logical reason why Sephiroth would need to be defeated before hand, because he would have had no equal after.

Another thing that many of you are blindsided again, is that Sephiroth's character raises above so many others, is that we get to see his character before he becomes an antagonist. We get to witness and hear about his feats of achievement as a hero, the fact of the matter is, Sephiroth has had the deepest storyline for any antagonist.

This is reason why I consider him as the best antagonist of the FF series, because you get to see so many sides to his character. Not just his ideals as an antagonist.

Yet, even after Pre-Nimbleheim, Final Fantasy VII, and Advent Children, his soul just cannot simply die, he is still alive and continues onward. Everysingle one of you who keep on talking about how powerful "insert name" has failed to realize that Sephiroth is the only antagonist who has shown the ability to return back from the dead.

Mind you, that we still haven't seen the full power of Sephiroth, so what he has done throughout the FF series that we've seen, he's been holding back the entire time. His arrogance, and enjoyment of toying with characters, especially Cloud is ultimately his downfall, however if you can't technically die...what's the hurry?

Me a fanboy, some of you seriously need to stop that notion. The only time if anyone can be a fanboy is if they say things like "OMgosh, his swords the roxxarz!!!, Sephiroth pawnz!"

My knowledge goes well beyond that, so if you don't like it, tough luck, there's actually people who like his character beyond just the appeal or his powers or his kill ratio.

However, honestly, if you actually ask me, Sephiroth, Kuja and Delita are my three most favorite antagonist of all time, simply because they had real character.
 
Danijel said:
I never played FF7 so I don't know anything about him.
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I can't belive you never played ff7 sephiroth was the most coolest villans in all of the ff seris. like come on he was made from a calamity(jenova) who came to earth to destroy it. so basically he was the apocalypse
 
fantasy96 said:
I can't belive you never played ff7 sephiroth was the most coolest villans in all of the ff seris. like come on he was made from a calamity(jenova) who came to earth to destroy it. so basically he was the apocalypse
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He wasn't made from Jenova....

*Spoilers* He was born from Lecrucia + Hojo and Hojo implanted a hell lot of Jenova cells.

I agree that Sephiroth is the baddest guy. He name can make chills.
 
I thought Kefka was the best villain as well, Sephiroth is highly overrated in my opinion. You have your opinion and I'll have mine. ^_^ Kefka was insane and would do anything and everything to be successful in what he did. He was cold hearted and he didn't care who he killed. He was pretty funny as well which makes him even better. His appearance was dramatic and over the top but that's what makes him cool imo. Sephiroth was pretty cool but I just think he's overrated.
 
Agreed! As far as villains go, Kefka was the best written thus far. For years I heard all kinds of hype about Sephiroth this and Sephiroth that, but when I finally played VII, I was a little less then impressed on the design of his character.

In my opinion, Kefka truly was well fleshed out (Character design) as a true maniac who completed most of his goals, including his ultimate goal.
 
~Crazy Chocobo~ said:
I thought Kefka was the best villain as well, Sephiroth is highly overrated in my opinion. You have your opinion and I'll have mine. ^_^ Kefka was insane and would do anything and everything to be successful in what he did. He was cold hearted and he didn't care who he killed. He was pretty funny as well which makes him even better. His appearance was dramatic and over the top but that's what makes him cool imo. Sephiroth was pretty cool but I just think he's overrated.
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Sephiroth is not overrated on any given lvl, the only reason why people "make" this claim is because he has a horde of fanboys and fangirls who simply worship him for many reasons unknown.

However if you look at his characteristics, personality, idealogy, track record, and his history. He is infinitely more deeper of a character then someone like Kefka, who is completely one-dimensional.

As I've said, I could go on and make a character who's just evil, laughs alot and wants to kill. The whole notion of Sephiroth being overrated is completely false.

You are indeed intitled to your own opinion, however opinions don't always neccesary hold water. I'm looking from what they brought with their characters, not just "how much they could kill and how much energy/power could come from their hands".

Many of you are judging antagonist by these ways, which is why I kept on bringing up the DBZ notion, because simply, they fit the agenda as well...pure evil with ridiculous firepower.

If I judged it by this standard, then BUU is the Ultimate antagonist of all time in any genre, because he actually wiped out solar systems and complete galaxies, he also completely destroyed the planet Earth with one single shot from his hand, and can even teleport into the after-life and destroy things there. What other antagonist can do this, or has achieved this amount of success? NONE.

Surprisingly, he falls under the same notions that you people are praising Kefka for...Pure Evil, High Kill Count, and very powerful, but in Buu's case, ridiculously over the borderline powerful.

However, one would know that this isn't what makes a great antagonist. Btw, Kefka never completed, his ultimate goal...had he of done that, he would still be alive.

Sorry, but everysingle FF antagonist failed.

If anything Kefka is the antagonist who is completely overrated, his character personality is completely one-dimensional, he's a simple minded antagonist. He is nowhere near in league with other FF antagonist such as Sephiroth, Kuja or Delita from FF Tactics.
 
TrueSephiros said:
You are indeed intitled to your own opinion, however opinions don't always neccesary hold water.
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Telling someone that their opinion is wrong is very judgmental of you. People have their own opinions and if they think Kefka is better, then so be it.

People are drawn to different types of characters, which is why every villain is and should be different. I personally thought Kuja was better than Sephiroth. I'm not going to write a page long dissertation on why but I was drawn to his character more.

I did like Sephiroth but he was kind of one-dimensional in the game. He never really displayed much personality.

TrueSephiros said:
Sephiroth is not overrated on any given lvl, the only reason why people "make" this claim is because he has a horde of fanboys and fangirls who simply worship him for many reasons unknown.
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I think that counts as being overrated.
 
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Nephry said:
Telling someone that their opinion is wrong is very judgmental of you. People have their own opinions and if they think Kefka is better, then so be it.

People are drawn to different types of characters, which is why every villain is and should be different. I personally thought Kuja was better than Sephiroth. I'm not going to write a page long dissertation on why but I was drawn to his character more.

I did like Sephiroth but he was kind of one-dimensional in the game. He never really displayed much personality.
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Judgemental or not, when you have someone comming around talking about how Sephiroth has done "nothing" and is nowhere "near as good". It seems like I have to set the record straight.

Shoot, just look at all the pages, it was nothing about how well made Kefka was...which is umm...completely false. Yes, you are entitled to whom you like, but when you put it all down on paper as to who had more character, Kefka ranks as one of the worst within the FF series.

Nephry said:
I think that counts as being overrated.
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That doesn't mean overrated, that just means alot of people like him. Sephiroth from what he's done within his storyline is not overrated whatsoever, so that's an invalid reason to claim he's overrated because he has a huge fanbase.
 
TrueSephiros said:
Judgemental or not, when you have someone comming around talking about how Sephiroth has done "nothing" and is nowhere "near as good". It seems like I have to set the record straight.

Shoot, just look at all the pages, it was nothing about how well made Kefka was...which is umm...completely false. Yes, you are entitled to whom you like, but when you put it all down on paper as to who had more character, Kefka ranks as one of the worst within the FF series.
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I think you may have missed the point of my post. I wasn't making light of your arguments for what Sephiroth has done and I disagree with those who say he did nothing. I was merely saying that telling someone their opinion "doesn't hold water" makes no sense. And it makes you come across as someone who doesn't give two shits about anyone's opinion but their own. You may not have thought Kefka was a great villain but other people do. Most of the people who have responded in this thread have played FF7, they've seen Sephiroth's accomplishments; some of them still don't think he's all that great. But that's their opinion and I doubt anything you say will change that.


That doesn't mean overrated, that just means a lot of people like him. Sephiroth from what he's done within his storyline is not overrated whatsoever, so that's an invalid reason to claim he's overrated because he has a huge fanbase.
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Again, this is all a matter of opinion. Sephiroth is an extremely popular character. Someone who doesn't like Sephiroth is of course going to think that he's overrated. Perhaps they weren't as impressed with his accomplishments and character as his fans.
 
I got tired of reading one of Sephiroth fanboys posts so I came here to tell why he sucks and Kefka and Kuja rules.

Kuja already had really much powers. Sephiroth didn´t born with a masamune. No he was little baby who needed diapers to be changed. Kuja needn´t that, he already kick ass. He used his own powers to destroy his own world. Sephiroth loser needs help from meteor.

Oh and Sephiroth wasn´t first FF-villain to kill main characters. What happened to Richard in FFII? And what about Galuf?

And Kefka was ordinary man and his motives to destroy everythin was to gain power and he had show he has powers by destroying the world. In WoR everybody is sad, only two man are happy and they are Colosseum owner and Kefka. Kefka could have easily kill everybody but what fun that would have been. Sephiroth would have float in emptiness with his mama. Oh boy he sure is winner. Even FF-hero like Shadow would kill his mama only for a nickel.

Kefka is real bad guy. If he was real, I would be his follower. Come on now he was totally sick. He murdered his own men, poisoned innocent people and that was pleasure to him. Sephiroth didn´t like so much about killing, he just totally snapped and with help of psychiatrits he would have been fine. Kefka however was totally lunatic. Kefka is like evil twin of Sephiroth.

Sephiroth is not bad villain but Kefka and Kuja are better.
 
Although I dont doubt Kefka's accomplishments, I still believe that Sephiroth out weights Kefka in all catergories. Yes Kefka accomplished what he set out to do in his game while Sephiroth didnt but that doesnt justify the statement for me.

While Sephiroth was alive...well everybody knows the story I suppose so I'll get to the point. Sephiroth didnt actually start becoming a villian and doing all the things he has/had done until after he died in Mt. Nibel's Mako Reactor. I've started going through the game and the script and I have yet to find any instance where he is actually alive and seen for more than one instance,(outside of Aeris' death, and even though he had killed him, I am looking for solid proof that it was his actual body that killed her and not a clone.) not including the sighting in Junon and Icicle Inn and any other place he may be seen at.

The Midgar Zolom death before the Mythril Cave isnt proof that Sephiroth is/was around and alive at that time because the Turks are also seen in the cave as well and they could have killed the Zolom before you got there.

My point that I'm saying is that Sephiroth accomplished so much while his body was immobilized/dead inside of the Northern Crater. Although Kefka did exactly what he said as I have already stated, he was ALIVE to do so. If Kefka had died before the actual games events had even started I dont think he would have been able to accomplish more than 1% of his goals.

Sephiroth manipulated the minds of people while his body was immobalized and his legacy lived on throughout the games entirety, even making it to other games as well, like Kingdom Heart and the upcoming Final Fantasy Dissidia. Kingdom Hearts is a good example of how powerful he really is, travelling through time and space looking for Cloud (Or could I say Cloud looking for him). So in a sense did he really fail what he set to achieve?

As Bugenhagen said, when life dies, it returns to the planet and is reborn as something anew. So even if Sephiroth did die before he destroyed the planet, did he not become one with the planet in a sense, and with that knowledge be able to be reborn as his own self many a time?

The legacy that is Sephiroth still amazes me to this day...sorry for the long post ^_^;
 
I always get it that Jenova is doing all the dirty work while real Sephiroth is frozen. I got the picture that Jenova was on the ship were you get Ifrit and Jenova was the on who killed Aeris in the form of Sephiroth.

And isn´t it kinda humiliating that Sephiroth gets beaten by boy who has not yet even reached puberty with the help of Donal Duck ( who IMO could beat Sephriroth easily, with Donalds temper) and Goofy. And in Dissidia it seems that Sephirot gets beaten by every FF-main hero they have.
 
Although in Kingdom Hearts he did get beat by Sora, I consider Kingdom Hearts a game with alot of characters thrown in it for style and flair IMO. In Dissidia's case, unless new footage has been released, I have yet to see Sephiroth fighting anybody at all.
 
Honestly I wouldn't count spin offs. Kingdom Hearts is a completely different game from Final Fantasy VII. Yes, Sephiroth was powerful in Kingdom Hearts because he was the hardest optional boss. Just a thing Square threw in for fans.
 
Well you are right about KH- Sephiroth since every FF-character was only alternate dimension version of them except Auron whose story was connected to FFX.

And of course you can fight against Sephiroth in Dissidia or play with him. They don´t put him into game just to be seen.
 
I am waiting to play Dissidia to see what they have done to Sephiroth. I'm going to assume that everyone will have almost on par abilities (although some characters will be nerfed to hell lol) but I will be upset if he doesnt beat ass at least a little bit.
 
I reckon he'll be TEH UBER unlockable character. He'll just pwn everything, exept himself.
 
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