There is not perfect game nor it s there anything that is "perfect" in this world but still I don't get why this game is hated. Granted, I didn't get the game back in the nineties but still this game is great with cool characters and an engaging story so I don't see why this game is hated by very amny fans who think it is overrated. Is it the fact tha game is overrated? r to old school fans irked that this is supposedly the first Final Fantasy game to many fans because the previous Final Fantasy and Square Enix games didn't apparently exist prior to FF7? Or the games sequels, prequels and spinoffs that Square Enix is whoring out? Or is it just because this game is that terrible that they bash on it endlessly?
Why is the game hated by a lot of fans?
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I dont here od ANY hate for this game at all to be honest, certainly not compared with the others.
I think what people hate is the publicity behind it, its the most popular and famous FF game by a long shot and the fact that its spawned so many spi-offs etc overshadows the other games, i think thats what people hate, not the actual game itself.
I think what people hate is the publicity behind it, its the most popular and famous FF game by a long shot and the fact that its spawned so many spi-offs etc overshadows the other games, i think thats what people hate, not the actual game itself.
I'd say that the game has it's detractors and those that dislike it because it's been whored out so much and touted as the "best" or "perfect" Final Fantasy game. People get disappointed when they realise it isn't perfect, while others get annoyed that so many people claim it's the best, when they have their own favourite that they consider to be greater than FFVII.
Although, the majority of people that dislike FFVII, from what I've seen, just dislike it because they prefer the other games more, or dislike the storyline, characters, battle system...etc. It doesn't get as much hatred as, say, FFVIII or FFXII, but a lot of people think it's way too over-rated, or that the other FF games are just better than FFVII.
It all comes down to opinions really, even the "best" of anything will attract a large amount of criticism and hatred.
Although, the majority of people that dislike FFVII, from what I've seen, just dislike it because they prefer the other games more, or dislike the storyline, characters, battle system...etc. It doesn't get as much hatred as, say, FFVIII or FFXII, but a lot of people think it's way too over-rated, or that the other FF games are just better than FFVII.
It all comes down to opinions really, even the "best" of anything will attract a large amount of criticism and hatred.
A lot of people hate this game because it gets too much publicity for being an old game. People think that it has lived its life and that we should move on to the next generation of games (XII and on) Some of the people probably thought it was overrated due to the fact that its graphics are not too good now and that the story isnt the best in the series. It all comes down to opinion though
M'aiq the Liar
The Exalted One
Even if you hate it, you have to respect it as a major part in Final Fantasy history. It was the first installment of the series to be originally released for the Playstation with 3D movement and graphics. The reason people hate it, like stated earlier, is most likely due to its publicity and its shadow cast over other final fantasy games.
A lot of the hate is essentially blind hate. Certain minorities of fan groups feel they need to pick one side or the other (ie, 360 Vs PS3, WWF Vs WCW and in this case, for example FFVII Vs OoT). I think a lot of the hate that games like this get is a result of blind fanboyism. Furthermore, some people feel the need to hate things because they are popular (this also includes music, films). I reckon these two groups of people alone account for a great chunk of the FFVII haters.
Also, for better or for worse, some people can't quite adjust to the graphics, which is fair enough, I guess. They are a little dated, and quite unique too, but this adds to the charm, I suppose. Plus, some FMVs have proportioned characters, while others retain the normal proportions, which I've seen a lot of criticism for.
I don't want to be offensive or anything, but some people don't have the patience, the time, or the mental capacity to really reap the rewards of FF games, and as a result of being so popular and ubiquitous, a lot of non-RPG gamers will have tried playing it, and obviously, FF games are NOT for everyone.
Also, for better or for worse, some people can't quite adjust to the graphics, which is fair enough, I guess. They are a little dated, and quite unique too, but this adds to the charm, I suppose. Plus, some FMVs have proportioned characters, while others retain the normal proportions, which I've seen a lot of criticism for.
I don't want to be offensive or anything, but some people don't have the patience, the time, or the mental capacity to really reap the rewards of FF games, and as a result of being so popular and ubiquitous, a lot of non-RPG gamers will have tried playing it, and obviously, FF games are NOT for everyone.
I think it's fair to say every FF game has it's haters and I'd guess that most of those who consider themselves die hard fans dislike this one in particular due to it being the one that is most marketed as being the 'best' FF game by those who maybe aren't long term fans of the series.
Everyone has their own opinion on all of the games and you are rarely going to find total agreement on why one game is better than another. The fact that the mass media rates FFVII as the best is probably why many who feel that another one of the games is the best dislike this one.
Everyone has their own opinion on all of the games and you are rarely going to find total agreement on why one game is better than another. The fact that the mass media rates FFVII as the best is probably why many who feel that another one of the games is the best dislike this one.
To be completely honest, the only person I've ever heard complaining about FF7 are other FF fans, not even system fans. I own a Ps3 and have never owned a 360, and I don't plan on buying one, but most of my friends do own 360's and hate the Ps3 and most of them actualy respect FF7, as well as a few other playstation favorites. I think it actually has to be that people who have been with Final Fantasy since the begining feel like FF7 drops such a shadow on games that they believed were great, whether they think FF7 itself was good or not. So, to be truththfull, I think they hate the "blind" people more than the game itself, and feel that the original series is left behind because of it.
And, for the record. FF7 was my first Final Fantasy, so it's only a guess on my part, but I think that's what would irk me if I was with the series from the start.
And, for the record. FF7 was my first Final Fantasy, so it's only a guess on my part, but I think that's what would irk me if I was with the series from the start.
Thats a really good point. Many 'new' fans essentially see VII as the start of the series. Especially those who are preoccupiedwith graphics as they refuse to play the earlier games. Because of this the older batch of fans dislike it.
Targix
Chocobo Breeder
I don't think I've ever met anyone who hate Final fantasy 7. Although I've see some people didn't played it yet saying nice about them. But I think there's little number of people who hate it. Cause I was told Final Fantasy 7 was sold really ALOT of them. Even the Advent Children VII Movie too.
But some post above have good point. Some FF game isn't for everyone. Or either they probly be jealous of Final Fantasy
*snuggle Zack Fairs*
But some post above have good point. Some FF game isn't for everyone. Or either they probly be jealous of Final Fantasy
*snuggle Zack Fairs*
I think a lot of comments aren't necessarily hate, but come off as hate. It's not the best, it's not perfect, it was in no way revolutionary to the series/genre outside of it's graphics. Is it a damn good game? Sure, but it still gets way too much fucking hype for doing nothing too special. It's more of a response to the ridiculous "blind fanboyism". Some of us get sick of people saying how "Sephiroth is teh deeperst villan evar!!1!" or the like.
Well said.
The only part I would say I hate about VII is the fanboyism, and the compilation. AC, CC, and DoC were all pure shit.
Well said.
The only part I would say I hate about VII is the fanboyism, and the compilation. AC, CC, and DoC were all pure shit.
Stoic Hero
The Leading Man
I disagree with you about the spin-offs being bad. Granted, Dirge of Cerberus was not a very good game, but Crisis Core and the now finished Advent Children Complete are both exceptional. Crisis Core has one of the best video game endings, and even though the story was too short, Zack was a truly fleshed out character. True, AC was pretty much for fans of VII and Final Fantasy, but it was still a damn good movie. Name one other CG movie that does it as good as Advent Children. I can't think of any.
Final Fantasy VII was my first Final Fantasy, but I went back and played them all in order. It still reigns as my favorite, followed by XII, X, IX, VIII, VI, IV, V, I, III, and II.
It gets a lot of recognition, which I think it deserves. It wasn't truly groundbreaking or anything, and it doesn't do much that the other Final Fantasies don't do, but it is what it is; a masterpiece, and no one can take that away from it.
Final Fantasy VII was my first Final Fantasy, but I went back and played them all in order. It still reigns as my favorite, followed by XII, X, IX, VIII, VI, IV, V, I, III, and II.
It gets a lot of recognition, which I think it deserves. It wasn't truly groundbreaking or anything, and it doesn't do much that the other Final Fantasies don't do, but it is what it is; a masterpiece, and no one can take that away from it.
I don't hate the game by any means. I don't like how it's given more praise than it deserves when other games go overlooked, but the game itself if perfectly fine.
It just makes me angry when people praise it as the best RPG ever, especially if they haven't tried the others. It was good, but it wasn't as good as some people say it was.
I guess I'm also not too fond of what Square-Enix has done to the game either. Crisis Core was the only spin-off/sequel/prequel that I thought had any real quality. Then again, I'm not exactly fond of the games Square-Enix has produced recently in general.
I honestly think most of FFVII's popularity spawned from the fact that most FF fans played VII first.
I used to think it was the greatest game in the world as well... But after playing some of the other FF games, and then expanding beyond the FF franchise, I've realized the VII was pretty much an average RPG.
It just makes me angry when people praise it as the best RPG ever, especially if they haven't tried the others. It was good, but it wasn't as good as some people say it was.
I guess I'm also not too fond of what Square-Enix has done to the game either. Crisis Core was the only spin-off/sequel/prequel that I thought had any real quality. Then again, I'm not exactly fond of the games Square-Enix has produced recently in general.
I honestly think most of FFVII's popularity spawned from the fact that most FF fans played VII first.
I used to think it was the greatest game in the world as well... But after playing some of the other FF games, and then expanding beyond the FF franchise, I've realized the VII was pretty much an average RPG.
Its only been recently that the "FF VII is over-rated" comments have started cropping up over the Net. And for people that say "Oh I used to think it was brilliant and then I played others and decided it was average", well prehaps you should consider that it was FF VII that got you hooked in the first place.
Like most internet fads, FF VII is one of those at the moment thats cool not to like. It's like anything, for every 100 people that think Nintendo are the masters at originality, you will find 1 person who thinks Nintendo is not original and before you know it, everyone is changing their minds and agreeing.
FF XIII is shaping up to be exceptional I think. If it has the same impact on todays gamers that FF VII did in yesteryear, then expect FFXIII to be branded as "average" in 10 years time. People LOVE to jump on bandwagons unfortunately.
Yes we all have opinions, but if someone thinks FF VII is average/over-rated, then I would hate to think what you think an exceptional or terrible RPG is..
Like most internet fads, FF VII is one of those at the moment thats cool not to like. It's like anything, for every 100 people that think Nintendo are the masters at originality, you will find 1 person who thinks Nintendo is not original and before you know it, everyone is changing their minds and agreeing.
FF XIII is shaping up to be exceptional I think. If it has the same impact on todays gamers that FF VII did in yesteryear, then expect FFXIII to be branded as "average" in 10 years time. People LOVE to jump on bandwagons unfortunately.
Yes we all have opinions, but if someone thinks FF VII is average/over-rated, then I would hate to think what you think an exceptional or terrible RPG is..
Sure AC was flashy, but that was it. It was all style and no substance. It was nothing more then glorified fanservice to let all the fanboys/girls wet themselves watching sephiroth and cloud fight in ridiculous dbz-ish fights. It's good for flashy fanservice, but I was expecting a bit more... meat to it.
Crisis core was good only half the time. It was awesome when it stuck to things we actually knew happened, but god awful when it introduced anything new (Genesis anyone?) Not to mention that they turned zack from what seemed like an interesting/cool-headed character from the flashbacks in VII, to an annoying obnoxiously loud character that didn't know when to shut up. That and some of the writing was cringe worthy. Having Zack meet Aerith the same way cloud did? Seriously? I know they were going for parrallels, but that was just bad. And just to say it again. Genesis. Good god what a fucking awful character.
But explain why it deserves it. You yourself said "it doesn't do much that the other Final Fantasies don't do" and yet you consider it a masterpiece. This is the kind of blind fanboyism that annoys people like me. Why is it a masterpiece? I'm not saying it's a bad game, it's my 3rd favorite in the series behind Tactics and IX, but I have yet to hear a valid arguement as to why it would be considered a masterpiece. Very few rpgs I would ever consider to be a Masterpiece, and none of the numbered final fantasies would fall under that imo.
I'm a bit torn on XIII, it looks like it's trying to borrow from VII and X a bit too much. I hated X so that doesn't help me at the moment. That and the shivabike makes me facepalm. I want to be excited, but retarded shit like the shivabike is just cringeworthy. If the whole game has stuff like that... >.<
That and the Fights seem like they're trying to incorporate AC's style into actual gameplay. Which is great and all, but I didn't enjoy AC's fighting. I wanted to see some actual swordplay, not fucking Dragonball Z.
It won't have the same impact as VII for at least two reasons -
1. There's an almost 0% chance we'll get such a ridiculous marketing blitz as we did with VII
2. It's not as visually impressive (comparably to other games right now) as VII was at it's time.
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Okay, the Shiva bike does sound ridiculous, but take yourself back to FF VIII when Rinoa used her dog Angelo for special attacks. On paper stuff like that sounds stupid but in the game it works. I wont be passing any negative comments on XIII till ive played it. Im excited for it though, because IX was the last in the series I played so it's been a long time for me to get stuck into a FF again.
And if the game is borrowing from FF VII, well dispite the "new critics", that can only be a good thing as a lot of people do think VII was brilliant and if that can help make this game brilliant, more power to it.
And if the game is borrowing from FF VII, well dispite the "new critics", that can only be a good thing as a lot of people do think VII was brilliant and if that can help make this game brilliant, more power to it.
Just because something drew your interest doesn't mean it must have been amazing. And just because it was your first doesn't mean it got you "hooked".
The fact of the matter is, I simply hadn't experienced all that the RPG genre had to offer.
If somehow you've never tasted anything before in your life and suddenly you taste an oyster cracker, you'll likely believe it to taste simply amazing. While I do enjoy oyster crackers, there are plenty of things that are far more delicious.
I can think of plenty...
I've played over 35 RPG's, I've wrote them down and rated them by how much I enjoyed them; VII is in seventeenth place.
As I said... It's not a bad game, but it's nothing extraordinary.
The thing is, having your dog attack with you isn't nearly as ridiculous as lesbian goddess transformer bikes that stare at your crotch while you ride.
Not to mention it was done before in VI anyways.
UltimaFantasy2007
White Mage
I think the majority of people hate it because of the love it receives. They just don't think it deserves all the hype it gets and constantly puts it down when, as a matter of fact, they enjoy it themselves. Constantly I hear "It wasn't that special" or "It's overrated" and it's just people hating on the fact that fans think it's the best in the series. It was a very good game with a rawness that other Final Fantasies do not share. It just seems a lot more harsh, brutal and depressing; but with some charm and quirkiness thrown in. It is understandable why so many people love it as it's when a lot of gamers hopped on the Final Fantasy bandwagon and it feature one of the most complete cast of characters.
Oh, and Final Fantasy XIII's looking great and I do love the Shiva motorcycle.
Oh, and Final Fantasy XIII's looking great and I do love the Shiva motorcycle.
VII is nowhere near unique in that "rawness", or being "harsh, brutal and depressing". Let's take a quick look at the game right before it for example.
VI Spoilers -
Celes gets beaten right in front of you. Terra losing her mind as she finds out her true origins. Kefka backstabbing the emperor and moving the statues halfway through the game. He destroys the fucking world. You LOST, Kefka won. You couldn't save the world. Then, you wake up as celes in the middle of nowhere, and what happens next? Cid dies, And celes tries to commit suicide! That's a bigger punch in the balls then I ever felt from VII. That's plenty "raw", and incredibly depressing. Especially all those happening in such a quick sequence. Then you go and try and find your friends. You find strago in the cult of kefka because he believes relm to have died. I'm not going to try and go into depth of shadow's dream sequences. All the while kefka's blowing up towns for laughs with his light of judgement. And the big kicker is that even though you defeat kefka in the end, the world is still in ruin and there's no lifestream or the like to repair the damage, and 90% of the world worshipped the guy you just killed as a god. Happy ending huh?
The only edge VII would have over VI in that regard is Atmosphere, and only really in midgar. And VI isn't too far behind in the atmosphere department with WoR. They're both pretty equal in the exact manners that you claim that other final fantasies do not share.
Or let's a considerably "darker" and more "brutal" game that came right after it. Final Fantasy Tactics. I'm not going to try and summarize all the fucked up and depressing things that happen in that game, because they happen constantly. VII doesn't even compare to the kind of "harsh, brutal and depressing" shit that happens in Tactics. Not even in the same league.
If you're going to make such claims, try basing them in fact next time.
This is my problem with VII. Not the game which I love, but the fans who make such ridiculous claims as if it's the end-all-be-all of RPG's when it's nowhere near close, not even when it comes to JRPGs.
You're part of the problem.