Advent Children Your opinions of the GEOSTIGMA

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Ok what are your opinions on the GEOSTIGMA virus or disease?

I personally think that is was a bit strange how there was no mention of it in the game and how it just suddenly turned up 2 years later

What also got me about it is that it was miracolously cured at the end of the film
 
Hmm, there's different theories, actually. I know they aren't mentioned in the game, however...there's a chance that it can be somewhat related to the game...

Here, I'll copy and paste this. It's really interesting and I suppose it does makes sense...I mean, they wouldn't just create a random disease in AC, right? So they have to go back deeper to the game's storyline.

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Geostigma?

What do we actually know about the sickness called Geostigma in Advent Children?
  • What is it? We are told that Geostigma is the result of the body trying to cleanse itself of Jenova Cells, such as the reaction of our immune system. Our immune system attempts to push out the virus and while doing so, causes side effects initiated by the virus itself.
  • What are the symptoms? While the exact details are not known at this time, it seems that the deeper stages of Geostigma may give the victim a distant and almost "possessed" glaze over their eyes; the patient may also become very ill. Yet it seems there are very few deaths caused by Geostigma, for reasons unknown.
Could it be that Geostigma is related to the disease that Jenova had set upon the Cetra two thousand years ago? We do know that Meteor has been summoned, causing devestating damage to Midgar, enough for the planet's lifestream to flock towards it to try and heal the wound...
"The planet told the Cetra race that something fell from the sky and hit the Earth. But the wound was too deep. There was no other way than to give the planet time to heal itself."
-- Ifalna
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The Geostigma reminds me of AIDS because it seems to slowly make the body weaker and weaker eventually leading to death.

I think it´s Jenova revenge on human kind, and just like she destroyed the Cetra she used Jeostigma to destroy humankind.
 
i guess the reason that it wasn't mentioned in FFVII was because it hadn't developed completely in people's bodies at that point. it must have taken a few years for the body to cleanse itself of the jenova cells. hmm idk this is an interesting question, and i suppose a lot of answers could make sense.
 
I actually thought it was the only good thing about Advent Children. Geostigma was a great turn of irony that really fits well with the original game - it gives the Lifestream alternate functions and savior and destroyer. Whereas Lifestream saved the population, it also infected them because of Jenova's thoughts.

My thoughts on Geostigma not being mentioned earlier? I think it may have not existed before the end of the game - perhaps Jenova didn't diffuse her thoughts into the Lifestream until the party defeats her before they defeat Sephiroth. Or perhaps, it might have existed, but misdiagnosed as a form of Mako poisoning (this would make sense, since the only way to get Geostigma is to get in contact with the Lifestream).
 
well I don't know what it is really, but one thing I don't understand is that what is it they see i nthe Geostigma? I have watched the film many times, but I can't figure out what it is they see or feel in the Geostigma
 
Ghost Patriot said:
well I don't know what it is really, but one thing I don't understand is that what is it they see i nthe Geostigma? I have watched the film many times, but I can't figure out what it is they see or feel in the Geostigma
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People get infected with Geostigma when they get in contact with the Lifestream, which is an occurrence which happens en masse at the end of FFVII. The reason for the infection is that Jenova's thoughts have been dissolved into the stream.

Hopefully this explains some of your questions.

Symptoms and Explanations:

Weakness, General Pain
The reason people are weakened and may die of the disease is due to the immune system trying to push Jenova out of the body. In trying to get rid of Jenova, it creates results similar to auto-immune diseases and other side-effects resulting from the attempted expulsion can occur.

Blackened Skin, Black Discharge
As the body attempts to expel Jenova from the system, people will find black viscous liquids, either seeping directly from the skin, or sometimes spitting it out, sweating it out, etc. When a person dies of Geostigma, they seem to "overflow" with this black liquid. This is examined more closely in the Case of Denzel.

Possession
Those afflicted with Geostigma have a similarity to the Sephiroth clones; they are biologically connected to Jenova. Thus, just like the clones, Jenova can call to them and possess them. This is seen in the black baptism scene at the Forgotten Capital, as well as a little bit later in the movie where all the children are gathered in the city square.
 
Its just a nasty rash, the characters in FFVII are just making it sound worse.
 
Geostigma is a result of Sephiroth/Jenova (I forget which) 'fusing' with the Lifestream, which happened when Holy caused the Lifestream to cover the planet when it destroyed Meteor. The infectious Lifestream infected (lulz) people with Geostigma. It's described better in Case of Denzel.
 
Cactuar said:
Lulz

How bout, it was a cheap way to make a shoddy FF movie out of a brilliant game...i mean, the idea was prettty lame, and fitted into the story too nicely.
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Meh. I thought Geostigma was a good idea. What wasn't a good idea was making three clones out of thin air solely for the purpose of eye-candy fight scenes and a Sephiroth cameo.
 
Advent Children in general was a piss-poor film, storywise. Graphically, it's stunning. As for everything else, the only films I've seen that're worse are Open Water and United 93.
 
eisprinz said:
Meh. I thought Geostigma was a good idea. What wasn't a good idea was making three clones out of thin air solely for the purpose of eye-candy fight scenes and a Sephiroth cameo.
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On frickin motorbikes if i may add...LAME, and yeah i didnt know where the hell Sephiroth came from xD
 
Cactuar said:
On frickin motorbikes if i may add...LAME, and yeah i didnt know where the hell Sephiroth came from xD
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Yeah... I think the Geostigma plot was underdeveloped, but it got pushed aside to put all the fan service that makes no sense into the limelight. Not to mention, some of the cameos purely don't make any difference.

They revived Rufus and decided to make him somewhat important. Stupid, but whatever.

But then they revive Tseng, but hardly show more than his silhouette? If they were gonna do something as drastic as contradict the earlier plot, they ought to have at least made him important to the movie.
 
I always saw it as a disease and not a virus. As it’s already been said, it was caused as Holy overflowed the life stream covering the planet and infecting everyone. So no, it seemed plausible to the story and no, I didn’t really see it a situation that sprung up out of nowhere. Lol, I thought it conveniently tied in with the original game.
 
well i suppose they had to use some new idea for a world wide problem
 
Mmmm, I agree about the Remnants. They were pretty random, and how they appeared wasn't explained in the movie at all.

In truth, they're supposed to be 'shards' of Sephiroth's will made into flesh. Thus why Kadaj at the end just 'evaporated'; he's just Lifestream that's controlled by a very powerful spirit. However, in this case, that spirit was unable to become a whole, thus the 3 Remnants. Each Remnant embodies something of Sephiroth.

I completely forgot what they were exactly, but I only remembered one: Loz was supposed to be the embodiement of Sephiroth's masculinity.

Now doesn't THAT tells us something about Sephiroth?! LMAO. He's such a pansy.

Geostigma, right. Anyways, ya'll remember the part of the game, in the big flashback in the Lifestream? Okay, remember the part where Cloud gets stabbed by Sepansy--I mean, Sephiroth? Good. Cloud lifts Sephiroth and throws him into the Mako below, right?

Okay, now that we've got that established, I would like to say that the material Sephiroth ceased to exist after that point. All the times you see Sephiroth in the game isn't really Sephiroth. It's actually Jenova's body, which Sephiroth is controlling. Well, if his body is gone, he should be dead, right?

Wrong. His will was so strong that his.... spirit? soul? whatever, continued to exist in the lifstream. He became a conciouss, nothing more. But he could control Jenova's body and make it shape-change to look like him.

What's this to do with Geostigma? I'm getting there, keep your pants on.

So, anywho, in the very end of the game, Cloud defeats the 'conciouss' form of Sephiroth. Well, oh crap for Sephy. See, this is were the 'spirit' of Sephiroth is shattered, resulting in the three-way split we see in AC. Sephiroth's will is still so strong that it colaces into a material form, even if shattered. Cool huh?

Moving on....

Well, when Sephiroth and Cloud & co. fought in the Northern Crater, they were in the Lifestream. So, when Jenova's body was defeated, all those cells spread throughout the lifestream. A part of Sephiroth's will later uses those cells to attack humans. Children are a prime target because they were just recently endowed with the life-giving powers of the Lifestream. The other prime targets are any 'sephiroth-clones' of which there is only one, Cloud. The rest were killed off.

See, Cloud was experimented on by Shinra, and had Jenova cells injected into him. This makes it doubly easier for him to get Getostigma because the cells are already inside him! Creepy.

Anyways, these alien cells set to work attacking the body. It's sorta like when a baby is born with a different blood type than the mother. See, after going so long with one kind of blood (the mother's) the baby's body doesn't recognize it's own blood. And so it attacks its blood. This is quite fatal. Well, the same kind of situation here. The body is trying to eliminate the Jenova cells, but is only attacking itself. Meanwhile, the Jenova cells are making the body confuse itself with a foreign substance! It's pretty clever really.

Anyways, that's my opinion on Geostigma. :monster:


Advent Children in general was a piss-poor film, storywise. Graphically, it's stunning. As for everything else, the only films I've seen that're worse are Open Water and United 93.
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Okay, dude, you're going too far. Either post something relevant to the thread or hold your tongue. United 93 was a very well done movie and was very emotional for many people. For you to describe it as such is insulting, and I ask you to please not do that again.
 
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Dragon Mage said:
Mmmm, I agree about the Remnants. They were pretty random, and how they appeared wasn't explained in the movie at all.

In truth, they're supposed to be 'shards' of Sephiroth's will made into flesh. Thus why Kadaj at the end just 'evaporated'; he's just Lifestream that's controlled by a very powerful spirit. However, in this case, that spirit was unable to become a whole, thus the 3 Remnants. Each Remnant embodies something of Sephiroth.

I completely forgot what they were exactly, but I only remembered one: Loz was supposed to be the embodiement of Sephiroth's masculinity.

Now doesn't THAT tells us something about Sephiroth?! LMAO. He's such a pansy.

Geostigma, right. Anyways, ya'll remember the part of the game, in the big flashback in the Lifestream? Okay, remember the part where Cloud gets stabbed by Sepansy--I mean, Sephiroth? Good. Cloud lifts Sephiroth and throws him into the Mako below, right?

Okay, now that we've got that established, I would like to say that the material Sephiroth ceased to exist after that point. All the times you see Sephiroth in the game isn't really Sephiroth. It's actually Jenova's body, which Sephiroth is controlling. Well, if his body is gone, he should be dead, right?

Wrong. His will was so strong that his.... spirit? soul? whatever, continued to exist in the lifstream. He became a conciouss, nothing more. But he could control Jenova's body and make it shape-change to look like him.

What's this to do with Geostigma? I'm getting there, keep your pants on.

So, anywho, in the very end of the game, Cloud defeats the 'conciouss' form of Sephiroth. Well, oh crap for Sephy. See, this is were the 'spirit' of Sephiroth is shattered, resulting in the three-way split we see in AC. Sephiroth's will is still so strong that it colaces into a material form, even if shattered. Cool huh?

Moving on....

Well, when Sephiroth and Cloud & co. fought in the Northern Crater, they were in the Lifestream. So, when Jenova's body was defeated, all those cells spread throughout the lifestream. A part of Sephiroth's will later uses those cells to attack humans. Children are a prime target because they were just recently endowed with the life-giving powers of the Lifestream. The other prime targets are any 'sephiroth-clones' of which there is only one, Cloud. The rest were killed off.

See, Cloud was experimented on by Shinra, and had Jenova cells injected into him. This makes it doubly easier for him to get Getostigma because the cells are already inside him! Creepy.

Anyways, these alien cells set to work attacking the body. It's sorta like when a baby is born with a different blood type than the mother. See, after going so long with one kind of blood (the mother's) the baby's body doesn't recognize it's own blood. And so it attacks its blood. This is quite fatal. Well, the same kind of situation here. The body is trying to eliminate the Jenova cells, but is only attacking itself. Meanwhile, the Jenova cells are making the body confuse itself with a foreign substance! It's pretty clever really.

Anyways, that's my opinion on Geostigma. :monster:




Okay, dude, you're going too far. Either post something relevant to the thread or hold your tongue. United 93 was a very well done movie and was very emotional for many people. For you to describe it as such is insulting, and I ask you to please not do that again.
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You gave a nice history of how you think Geostigma works (basically the same explanation SE gave), but what's your opinion of it? How well do you think it works as an element of the FFVII world?
 
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