[26/06] No Final Fantasy VII Remake Until Original Has Been Topped -- Square Enix CEO

[PhoenyxAngel]

your the one blwing it out of proportion.

How so?

We want Versus FIRST!!!!!!GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!!! Theres no fricken argument there!!!! That point is countered. Its worthless!!!! Because we both ff versus FIRST!!!!! Thats no reason to not want an ff7 remake.God...must i say it in cave man? Ok just in case you dont. Ugh...wants...ff7...but prefer...uggghhh....versus XIII to be finished....but wants ff7 ugh...eventually. its you who isnt understanding. We want versus 13 too!!! Why say "I dont want final fantasy 7 remake EVER because i want versus 13 RIGHT NOW!!!" It ticks me off sooo fricken much that this important point cant get in any1's head. We dont want them to remake it right now. We just want one eventually. Yes i overdone your heavily exagerated imitation of you. But its for you to understand.We want an ff7 in general. Do you know what im trying to say?

Most FFVII fanboys would want a FFVII:Re before Versus. But it's good that you want the games that were promised to us to come out first. But my argument in this case was under the assumption they began the FFVII:Re NOW, not later. That's one of my "what if" points. IF they made it now, it would delay FFVersusXIII. I'm not saying I don't want the FFVII:Re to come out ever because of Versus XIII. Versus XIII is my reason for not wanting it to come out any time soon. My reason for not wanting to see it be made at all is because FFVII and all of it's attention and fanboys are getting on my nerves. I'm tired of seeing FFVII stuff. But again, this is my opinion. Stating my opinion does not mean I'm trying to convince you otherwise. It means that I don't want to see it made, but you do. That's fine. It honestly doesn't matter what the fans want either way. If SE makes it, then they're going to make it. If not, then they're not going to make it. That's all that matters. And right now the signs are pointing to no remake. And I'm completely fine with that. And I actually like FFVII. It's a good game. I find the sequels and spinoffs to be completely unecessary, and the attention it has gotten over the years is a tad bit annoying.

2 and 3. Number 1 is the only one influencing all over. The others are just secondry opinions to make a decent argument but you cant stand by 2 and 3 at the same time.

How do 2 and 3 contradict each other? Secondary opinions does not mean contradiction. So I don't see your point.

 

[Razberry Knight]

What in the actual ef is going on in this post? Why are you freaking out? No need for that, dude. There's always potential but right now, they're not making good enough games for them to go and try and use their "quality" of creating games on a classic game that's loved by millions. They're not up for it right now. They have to master this generation of SE games before they can even try to REMAKE something from the past that was kick ass, fun, and loved. If the man in charge thinks this about his own games then that's that. Nothin' else to say.

Ugh........................its like you all read every other word. I completely agree with the situation....but thats not the point....

How so?Most FFVII fanboys would want a FFVII:Re before Versus. But it's good that you want the games that were promised to us to come out first. But my argument in this case was under the assumption they began the FFVII:Re NOW, not later. That's one of my "what if" points. IF they made it now, it would delay FFVersusXIII. I'm not saying I don't want the FFVII:Re to come out ever because of Versus XIII. Versus XIII is my reason for not wanting it to come out any time soon. My reason for not wanting to see it be made at all is because FFVII and all of it's attention and fanboys are getting on my nerves. I'm tired of seeing FFVII stuff. But again, this is my opinion. Stating my opinion does not mean I'm trying to convince you otherwise. It means that I don't want to see it made, but you do. That's fine. It honestly doesn't matter what the fans want either way. If SE makes it, then they're going to make it. If not, then they're not going to make it. That's all that matters. And right now the signs are pointing to no remake. And I'm completely fine with that. And I actually like FFVII. It's a good game. I find the sequels and spinoffs to be completely unecessary, and the attention it has gotten over the years is a tad bit annoying.How do 2 and 3 contradict each other? Secondary opinions does not mean contradiction. So I don't see your point.

Most people think versus never existed. People have given up on Versus. It really doesnt matter what you think about that though and pointless to bring up. Whether you think they were unnecessary? Well...any sequel can be unnecessary. However creators felt there was more potential and there still is. But they only screw up their new games. Until you find a remake they screwed up. But why should that matter? Ff7-9 are in this transition between old and new ff but unfortunately they just dont age well...ff7-9 are probably the only games that are harder to play. So a remake to allow new fans actually experience a form of ff7 for there era. And from then on if they want to experience it again it can be a simple port. Ff7 is more important to me because compared to 8 and 9 the old design is just hard to live with.You say SE is going to screw it up because they always do and somehow say i dont want a remake i want a new game from SE.Its nearly impossible for them to screw it up. It really is. The only thing they need to do is re design the 2D areas but overalll...the basics still attract ppl today just not where it matters most in this era of gaming.. i DETEST the way you make it look. The way you bring this irrelevantt points because of what others think. And you trying to convince the arrogant ppl in an arrogant way.When we have casualppl willing to meet halfway.

 

[PhoenyxAngel]

Most people think versus never existed.

Well technically, it hasn't existed yet. lol.

People have given up on Versus. It really doesnt matter what you think about that though and pointless to bring up. Whether you think they were unnecessary? Well...any sequel can be unnecessary.

I don't know of anyone who has given up on Versus. Most are still patiently waiting like we have been for years. And it's true that any sequel can be unnecessary. Hence FFXIII-2, and possibly FFXIII-3. Are you at all annoyed with the prospect of ANOTHER FFXIII sequel? If you do then you understand how I feel about FFVII getting unnecessary spinoffs.

But they only screw up their new games.

They only screw up new games, and not sequels and spinoffs? In response to that I have the following three games: Dirge of Cerberus, FFX-2, FFXIII-2. Yeah. Outside of games? Advent Children.

They screw up more than just new games.

Until you find a remake they screwed up.

They haven't made a remake like FFVII would be. Nothing has been remade for this generation consoles.

But why should that matter? Ff7-9 are in this transition between old and new ff but unfortunately they just dont age well...ff7-9 are probably the only games that are harder to play. So a remake to allow new fans actually experience a form of ff7 for there era. And from then on if they want to experience it again it can be a simple port.

This is the only argument you've made so far that actually makes a lot of sense, and would make me reconsider a remake of an older game. It would be good to remake older games so it can attract newer fans. Which is why VI should be the candidate if they were to remake anything. It is arguably the best in the series. Great storyline, an amazing cast of characters, a great battle system and leveling/magic system, a really cool steampunk feel that would attract a lot of people to the series (steam punk is in for college students from what I've seen), etc.

Also, FFVII is already on the PS3 as a port. So if new fans really want to play it, they can. Just saying.

Ff7 is more important to me because compared to 8 and 9 the old design is just hard to live with.You say SE is going to screw it up because they always do and somehow say i dont want a remake i want a new game from SE.Its nearly impossible for them to screw it up. It really is. The only thing they need to do is re design the 2D areas but overalll...the basics still attract ppl today just not where it matters most in this era of gaming.. i DETEST the way you make it look. The way you bring this irrelevantt points because of what others think. And you trying to convince the arrogant ppl in an arrogant way.When we have casualppl willing to meet halfway.

I have a feeling FFVII is more important to you because you like FFVII the most, not because of the graphics. Also, if my opinions are irrelevant then so are yours. That's only fair. And you say I'm trying ro convince arrogant people. Who exactly am I trying to convince? The only one arguing with me is you.

 

[C i d]

Please keep it calm. Being aggressive to the other poster will only lead to a pointless endless argument. Thanks for your understanding.

 

[PhoenyxAngel]

Sorry Ulty. I've been relatively calm, but if I got too aggressive then I apologize.

As for this topic, I'm done with it. I've stated my opinions and reasons why I don't think FFVII needs a remake. So I'm done.

 

[Razberry Knight]

Well technically, it hasn't existed yet. lol. I don't know of anyone who has given up on Versus. Most are still patiently waiting like we have been for years. And it's true that any sequel can be unnecessary. Hence FFXIII-2, and possibly FFXIII-3. Are you at all annoyed with the prospect of ANOTHER FFXIII sequel? If you do then you understand how I feel about FFVII getting unnecessary spinoffs.

there are plenty who have. And people think Nomura is out of his luegue and should give up. Especially in siliconera and gamestop and especially in kotaku. They basically believe its due to cancellation . Ff13 is a hundred times worst than what you are referring to. The difference is the spin offs are spin offs not meant to live upto the original. And the spin off sequels were fine doc might be a long shot cuz it was half third person/1st person shooter with action (and limit breaks). But it was very enjoyable for me as a completionist. CC was amazing too! People even enjoyed BC when it was presented at E3.

They only screw up new games, and not sequels and spinoffs? In response to that I have the following three games: Dirge of Cerberus, FFX-2, FFXIII-2. Yeah. Outside of games? Advent Children.

yeah...you havent mentioned a single remake they screwed up. Only sequels and spin offs. Dirge of cerberus i personally dont consider a failure. So yeah...SE has yet to screw up a remake, even if it has never been upto the calibur of ff7. You really cant compare....you just cant. I look to the future IN ff7. I remember my first time i played ff7 and i dont expect it to give me the same nostalgic feeling i get when i replay the ps1 version. Doesnt mean it will be awful

They haven't made a remake like FFVII would be. Nothing has been remade for this generation consoles.

But that point is null and void.

This is the only argument you've made so far that actually makes a lot of sense, and would make me reconsider a remake of an older game. It would be good to remake older games so it can attract newer fans. Which is why VI should be the candidate if they were to remake anything. It is arguably the best in the series. Great storyline, an amazing cast of characters, a great battle system and leveling/magic system, a really cool steampunk feel that would attract a lot of people to the series (steam punk is in for college students from what I've seen), etc. Also, FFVII is already on the PS3 as a port. So if new fans really want to play it, they can. Just saying.

all of my points made sense. Its just not ones you agreed with.6 is 2D though and has been remade. Ff567 advance on gba. I think they should port it. And amazing gameplay? Its no different from ff4-ff9.The only thing is the desperation mode which by the way was refined in ff7 with limit breaks instead of desperation mode. And its a port to PSN. Not really worth much now if the graphics dont apeal the younger generation. But even so older fans would like it to. Even if you claim to be an ff7 fan

I have a feeling FFVII is more important to you because you like FFVII the most, not because of the graphics. Also, if my opinions are irrelevant then so are yours. That's only fair. And you say I'm trying ro convince arrogant people. Who exactly am I trying to convince? The only one arguing with me is you.

nice try, but i prefer consistent designs between its spin offs and sequels. If ff6 or ff9 had had sequels or spin offs that look nothing like the original, then yes i would like a remake of them too. And yes i like it the most, no i wouldnt go that far because i actually enjoyed 10 and 9 a little more but im still devoted to ff7.You provide highly subjective to you, while im trying to find a compromise. Lets compare shall we? My points:*great for others to enjoy a new and more consistent design of the series for the series.*New fans can experience ff7 for those who are graphic oriented.*Ff7 along 8 (9 not so much but it would be nice to have it refined and voice acting) doesnt age well compared to ff1-6, 10-current.Here are yours:*SE will screw it up like they do with all the other irrelevant games.*Want future games (which if you connect it with the first one, you want a new bad game either way).*Final Fantasy 7 has had too much attention. Yours are just personal belief and yes so are mine but mine are thought out more for the general audience, not for just me.And yeah you really arent arguing with me, you just telling me what you would like to say to the general ff7 fanbase who want, you mention you want versus 13 specifically because certain ff7 fans not in this thread were saying they want ff7 before versus. It almost took you 5 or 6 comments until you finally understood what i was saying that i agreed (i literally had to overeact just so it can go through). Yet you still tried to make it as a significant point to not have a remake ever. Because you want versus 13 right now. You treating it too status quo.PhoenyxAngel read back....you werent the only one i was arguing with. This argument didnt start with you (maybe it did, but there were others i was talking to)

 

[PhoenyxAngel]

The thing is, your posts are extremely hard to understand because you overreacted (I'm not the only one who noticed) and often misspelled words or quoted my text but said something that wasn't in relation to what I was saying. Or your sentence would cut off randomly. So if I didn't get that you wanted Versus XIII it's probably because I literally couldn't find the point where you said that to begin with. But like I said in the previous post: I'm done. There's no point in discussing this anymore. I normally find debates to be fun, but not this one.

Not meant to be insulting. I'm just saying.

 

[Razberry Knight]

Yeah..point them out. I noticed that a Lot of ppl say stuff like that in other forums too. And not to me, but in general. If you don't understand, reread it or ask what I meant. Its not that hard. And sometimes their not grammar issues, I just express myself differently. Either way, look back and find what you couldn't understand or maybe if you look back in retrospect you can now understand what I was saying. I do all this by phone too. My sentences may come off as broken because two spaces somehow make two separate sentences.

thats the thing! If ff7 didnt have any sequels and films. No one would be wanting a remake as badly. We have great graphics on dirge of cerberus and crisis core. And we have the original that looks nothing like them. Of course fans want it. Its not about that ff7 gets attention, its the whole compilation of ff7 looks nothing like the original. Those who dont want it are most likeely because its overrated. Heck even ff8 or ff9 could get one. We have ff1-6 remakes that dont even take that much time and such. If we get one, i doubt any1 will complain and on another note, i want versus XIII too. But in general i want a ff7 "after" versus. You basically prove my point. Ff7 haters just hate the idea that ff7 gets attention. Chronologically an ff7 remake would come first before an 8 or 9.

again....this discussion is ridiculous. You guys are saying no to remakes in general because of the current situation with versus and xv.its just how you guys are seeing it. We wantt a remake, you dont. However you see it "we dont want one ever because i want these games now"And i know you all can understand why someone would want a remake even when you say you dont.

Were these so hard to understand? I'm not buying the "i cant understand what the heck you are typing". The last two were there and you couldnt even understand that...and the argument was based on a "what-if" scenario no one was following up until you mentioned it. Im sorry if im dragging this along, but then again you laughed at me for a pretty legitimate non-comedic post. So yeah, that got me wanting to defend the idea of a ff7 remake a 100 times more.lets say we get versus and xv soon and released and theyre both really GOOD. And this marks another milestone for SE to prove they still cann make amazing games. Then, would an ff7 remake be acceptable? The series hasnt ended, at least one game would be needed to wrap things up for 7.Is there any form of compromise?

 

[PhoenyxAngel]

The series hasnt ended, at least one game would be needed to wrap things up for 7.Is there any form of compromise?

First off, I didn't laugh at you. I'm not sure what you mean.

I know I said I'd drop it but this part caught my eye. What part of the series hasn't been wrapped up? Because it seems like they covered everything there was in FFVII

 

[Razberry Knight]

First off, I didn't laugh at you. I'm not sure what you mean.I know I said I'd drop it but this part caught my eye. What part of the series hasn't been wrapped up? Because it seems like they covered everything there was in FFVII

Dirge of cerberus secret ending. Genesis picks up weidd and then flies off saying there is no time for slumber there is still much to do.

 

[Omegadruid]

I strongly disagree that they failed with Final Fantasy Advent Children.. And as far as statistics are concerned, much more people loved it than hated it. And most of the people that didnt like it use petty reasons.. Maybe it is just me but AC cloud doesnt differ too much from FF7 cloud.

 

[Martel]

...that might be because Cloud never had much of a personality to begin with.

Also, it amuses me that this has gone on for twelve pages already. I don't see how a breakdown of the entire FFVII compilation is even remotely relevant, but...eh, whatever. Nothing anyone says here is going to influence the decision that has been made...if things said here DID get back to the creators, I'm positive Toriyama would have killed himself a long time ago

 

[Omegadruid]

I already know that you dislike final fantasy 7... But it is a bit bad to say that cloud has no personality.. He is like one of the most developed characters in the franchise(nevertheless I dont want to start a discussion about this).
About the OP.. Am I the only one who thinks that SE is basically saying "Unless our next final fantasy game sells as much as ff7 a remake of the latter will never be made". They are basically appealing to the fanatic fanbase of ff7 to go insane and raise their sales so they will make the so wanted ff7 remake(Some people dont want but I can assure you that there are millions who do).. Its a dirty marketing strategy. They are basically blackmailing people who want the ff7 remake. Nevertheless I might aswell be wrong and they are doing something decent

 

[Martel]

Developed? Cloud?

This has NOTHING to do with my dislike of FFVII in general. I've seen Gary Stus with more character depth than Cloud. He makes the characters in My Immortal look like works of art. He steals from half a dozen dismally old tropes that were ancient well before his time and does an awful job with all of them. There is NOTHING developed about Cloud.

...and if you don't want to start a discussion about it, don't bloody well answer me saying something like that

And OF COURSE it's a marketing strategy. Square Enix care about only thing and one thing only: profit. They're a business. It should be self-explanatory. You give us what we want, we'll give you what you want...and, by extension, you'll continue to give us what we want.

 

[Shaissa]

Wow, anytime anything FFVII related comes up it always seems to get blown way out of proportion .

Look Square isn't going do a remake of the game for a while, they have FFXIV to work on, Versus (yeah yeah make the jokes), XIII-2 Dlc's still coming out, FFXI expansion... Thats just with the FF related stuff...

Now whoever quoted me earlier and said that i didn't like FFVII because I called it over-rated, I do like the game, but I am against the remake... now if they want to port it (like they did when they put it on the psn) That is fine by me, But remaking it would ruin what the game was IMO, When they remade FFIV for the DS I didn't like it one bit.

FFVII is a classic, let's leave it as is, if you want the newer generation to play it...port it... that's all that needed to be done...

Now let see this get more blown out of proportion

 

[Martel]

Versus? What's that?

...and anything that is FFVII always gets blown out of proportion, because it's seriously overrated. It's like the video game equivalent of the Apocalypse: it happens in small bursts (Crisis Core, Dirge of Cerberus, etc) but it never actually happens fully. Every time FFVII crops up, people either start causing riots in the streets or hole up in bomb shelters waiting for the madness to blow over, and it gets predicted so bloody often that it's long since gotten old. Now we've been told more or less that it won't happen, and people are still speculating! I'm not sure what to call all this.

The newer generation can just buy it off the PSN if they HAVE to play it; it's not like they're going to notice either way.

 

[Omegadruid]

I dont want to answer because of many reasons and some of them being that
A - Its pointless. It wouldnt change your mind because lets be honest when people discuss final fantasies they never change their opinions(There are exceptions to the rule ofc).
B - It would give too much work because there is development in almost all the spinoffs and shit made for ff7. If I took my time Im sure I would be able to come up with a huge post with quotes and shit like that.. But im not obsessed enough to try to defend a game against people who dont like it to the point of literally wanting to shove down your throat a bunch of final fantasy 7 related crap and spending hours in gathering arguments and shit. I cannot really be arsed because even If I made reasonable arguments or presented factual evidence of Cloud's character development you would still disagree and then the cycle of pointless debating would start.

Regarding the OP. I would like a remake but I dont demand it. I would be happy if they did but I dont understand how a failure of a remake would ruin someone's experience of ff7. If the remake sucks.. Dont play it again and stick to the original..How can a fucking remake destroy your experience of the game when you already have the original to enjoy. At best it would make you a bit angry after your first playthrough but after that you can just keep on living and ignore that a remake of that game ever existed and play the original. People who are against the remake talk like it will be the end of the world and the end of ff7's legacy. I hate these kind of overreactions. Its like saying that final fantasy 9 is a terrible game because it has a protagonist with a monkey tale. I hate when people give these kind of petty excuses to dislike something. Nevertheless, people made valid points as to why the remake shouldnt be done now and I agree (Versus has priority/The company is unsure of its capability to produce a good product).

 

[Razberry Knight]

Wow, anytime anything FFVII related comes up it always seems to get blown way out of proportion .Look Square isn't going do a remake of the game for a while, they have FFXIV to work on, Versus (yeah yeah make the jokes), XIII-2 Dlc's still coming out, FFXI expansion... Thats just with the FF related stuff...Now whoever quoted me earlier and said that i didn't like FFVII because I called it over-rated, I do like the game, but I am against the remake... now if they want to port it (like they did when they put it on the psn) That is fine by me, But remaking it would ruin what the game was IMO, When they remade FFIV for the DS I didn't like it one bit. FFVII is a classic, let's leave it as is, if you want the newer generation to play it...port it... that's all that needed to be done...Now let see this get more blown out of proportion

i'm pretty sure everyone knows ff versus are in development and since they were announced first, we would like those. No one here is arguing that. People just want an ff7 in general. This isnt youtube where a bunch of arrogant ppl say "i want ff7 remake NOW"Thats probably because A) Ff4 use to be 2D and 3D lacked artistic style (like ff7 does now compared to the rest of the games we have now). Ff7 will always be a classic whether they remake it or not. This reasoning is too subective.

I dont want to answer because of many reasons and some of them being that A - Its pointless. It wouldnt change your mind because lets be honest when people discuss final fantasies they never change their opinions(There are exceptions to the rule ofc).B - It would give too much work because there is development in almost all the spinoffs and shit made for ff7. If I took my time Im sure I would be able to come up with a huge post with quotes and shit like that.. But im not obsessed enough to try to defend a game against people who dont like it to the point of literally wanting to shove down your throat a bunch of final fantasy 7 related crap and spending hours in gathering arguments and shit. I cannot really be arsed because even If I made reasonable arguments or presented factual evidence of Cloud's character development you would still disagree and then the cycle of pointless debating would start.Regarding the OP. I would like a remake but I dont demand it. I would be happy if they did but I dont understand how a failure of a remake would ruin someone's experience of ff7. If the remake sucks.. Dont play it again and stick to the original..How can a fucking remake destroy your experience of the game when you already have the original to enjoy. At best it would make you a bit angry after your first playthrough but after that you can just keep on living and ignore that a remake of that game ever existed and play the original. People who are against the remake talk like it will be the end of the world and the end of ff7's legacy. I hate these kind of overreactions. Its like saying that final fantasy 9 is a terrible game because it has a protagonist with a monkey tale. I hate when people give these kind of petty excuses to dislike something. Nevertheless, people made valid points as to why the remake shouldnt be done now and I agree (Versus has priority/The company is unsure of its capability to produce a good product).

Its an overreaction to many things. I also dont demand an ff7 remake, i might beg for one, but not demand. Thing is those who say no to remakes treat the argument as satus quo. Either way, spin offs were great and despite not liking advent children completely, it was still nice seeing new versions of the characters.After 7 remake i would like an 8 and 9 remake too. Classics are classics. Dont be a total otaku about it.

 

[Omegadruid]

One thing that is in a way rule of thumb for every single videogame is that you cannot please anyone.. But if you can please the majority of the people why not? If you are not keen on the idea of a ff7 remake If they ever release it you are not forced to play so just dont buy it? Its common sense.. (This is for the ones who absolutely dont want ff7 remade)

 

[Razberry Knight]

One thing that is in a way rule of thumb for every single videogame is that you cannot please anyone.. But if you can please the majority of the people why not? If you are not keen on the idea of a ff7 remake If they ever release it you are not forced to play so just dont buy it? Its common sense.. (This is for the ones who absolutely dont want ff7 remade)

Yeah and they think SE will ruin it. I personally dont believe so. As long as kitase, nomura are working on it and toriyama better not touch the project...then yes. It might be a great game and potentially better. If they were to change the gameplay i would imagine interactive limit breaks and original gameplay combined with crisis core's.