Abortion - your views.

Sir Strife said:
i just got off the phone to her she was crying her eyes out that bastards dumped her i swear if i ever see him again i;ll kill him i swear she wants me to ditch school with her and take her to the doctors should i?

I wont make tacky jokes anymore and sorry for swearin but im real angry
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Sir Strife said:
Ok i dont know if youre a girl or not FM but imagine you have a baby from being raped how would you feel if you had to look into the face of your attacker everyday some people couldnt do that abd usually end up killing themselves and the baby anyway so you might as well get rid of something that isn't even alive at the time rather than lose 2 lives by suicide i say at the time as babies aren't even alive til they breath their first breath
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Sir Strife i've got to tell you i think you are very brave,to do what you've done today shure was not a easy think to do.Well keep on staying beside your friend now because she will needs you even more now.She can be glad having a friend like you.
 
@ Fiz master: Im not offended either, its your opinion and Im not forcing you to change it, not at all. But as Sir Strife has said rape is a very serious subject, as is abortion and it was a bit woah. But dont worry about it ^^

And I hope your friend is okay Sir Strife. My cousins friend had an abortion last year and she needs comfort right now.
 
Thanks Tifa i'm always by her side she calls me ill be there in 5 mins flat. I'm not brave i just did what i thought was right. She's my best friend and like i said in another thread i love her like a sister.

Also thank ~SaphhireStar~ she's gonna be alright i hope and y'know sometimes i think im a bit too mature and smart for my age and for my own good lol
 
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Sir Strife said:
Thanks Tifa i'm always by her side she calls me ill be there in 5 mins flat. I'm not brave i just did what i thought was right. She's my best friend and like i said in another thread i love her like a sister
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Believe me if i say you're brave for doing what you did,it whant be easy neither for her but also not for you.
To love someone that why will hurts you seeing her in pain she will have.
It will go with the time.I think you've did the right think even if i'm a bit against it,but i'm shure that you unsterstud all my messages right.Just after a time give her to understand of beeing more carefull because an abortion is not good for the Body either.
Let me know how she is doing if you dont mind.
 
shes been through a lot i know it will go away eventually but it's gonna be a very long time til it goes. I'm gonna take care of her as much as i can no matter what. thanks for calling me brave how old are you anyway? lol weird question i know but you seem kinda wise so i thought you mite be a bit older lol
 
Well look first i'm 33.
I lost my first child i was 22,it dident had a heart so i had to make an abortion,but the sad of the story was realy that since i was 16 every doc told me that i cant get pregnant,and than i got it was for me like magic and i lost it.
Now i've 2 Boys and i'm very happy about having them.
Every abortion is a risk of Woman body,a risk that can happend that she cant have children anymore.So after a week or too take her again to a doc so she will make a controll if everything is okay.
 
I'm sure whatever I have to say has already been said, but I'm going to go ahead and post my opinion anyway.

I think general abortion should be illegal. I don't think you should be allowed to go and get knocked up one night and then go get an abortion just so you can do it all over again and get away with it. There should be consequences for people's actions, and if you choose to be a little party whore, you should eventually pay for it.

I do, however, believe that in some extreme cases it should be done. Like already mentioned, rape. If you're raped and become pregnant, and you can prove it, then it should be done. Incestual rape especially. Imagine your father or someone raping you and getting you pregnant...thats terrible in a lot more ways then one. So in that case, it should be done.

Other then extreme cases like those though, it should be banned.
 
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You shouldnt have to prove that you was raped to get an abortion i mean come on thats the polices job and they suck at their jobs no offense to anyone who knows/is or related to anyone whoa policeman/woman
 
Tenshi said:
I think general abortion should be illegal. I don't think you should be allowed to go and get knocked up one night and then go get an abortion just so you can do it all over again and get away with it. There should be consequences for people's actions, and if you choose to be a little party whore, you should eventually pay for it.
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proving once again that the so called pro life movement only cares about punishing women for having sex.

I do, however, believe that in some extreme cases it should be done. Like already mentioned, rape. If you're raped and become pregnant, and you can prove it, then it should be done. Incestual rape especially. Imagine your father or someone raping you and getting you pregnant...thats terrible in a lot more ways then one. So in that case, it should be done.
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generous of you. Minus the proving part. less than 6% of rapes get reported due to the way society works.
 
To you religious types, what happens to the souls of the aborted?

I mean, they are never given a chance to sin or not sin, so how are they elligible for heaven or hell?
 
For me it's the choice of the girl/woman. If I impregnate a girlfriend by accident, and if she decides to keep it, it is going to be my responsibility to take care of it as well.
 
I am not even going to get into the "abortion is murder" thing because it is far too moronic for me to waste time on. In order to murder something, that something has to have lived at first. Is a fetus alive? If it is, by all means, take it out of the womb and let it breathe by itself. If it can't survive because it is not properly developped, guess what, then it's NOT alive.

But that is beyond the point.
And don't tell me God told you abortion is wrong. I dare you to show mw that in the Bible.

But let us assume for the sake of the argument that both the fetus and the woman have equal rights to live. However, the fetus needs to live inside the woman's womb. The fetus living inside the woman's womb and being carried to term is something that is dangerous for the woman ( a pregnancy and childbirth is far more dangerous than an abortion).

So... the question raised is who has the rights over the woman's womb? The law and fairness say that the woman herself, it is HER body.
If you say otherwise because the fetus' rigth to live trumps a woman's right to bodily inegrity, that means that if someone needs a liver they can always force you to donate yours, because they need it to survive.
Think about that.
 
Mega Girl said:
I am not even going to get into the "abortion is murder" thing because it is far too moronic for me to waste time on. In order to murder something, that something has to have lived at first. Is a fetus alive? If it is, by all means, take it out of the womb and let it breathe by itself. If it can't survive because it is not properly developped, guess what, then it's NOT alive.
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That's a pretty poor definition of "life."

Tell me then, is your arm alive?
 
Lucifer Morningstar said:
That's a pretty poor definition of "life."

Tell me then, is your arm alive?
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That's totally taking her statement out of context. While your arm is an important part of your body, it is not necessary in order to live. The arm, in a normal person, has always been there. The arm is attatched to the body, but the body can function quite well without it. The body can also function without a foetus.
 
my opinion is from both angles cause i have some close to me pregnant and wondin the same thing but i say since she was_____she wouldnt want to keep it but its still life that ure takin but she wonders if she keeps it what will happen then.
 
*Pokes thread back to life*

I'm totally pro-choice. If Roe v Wade is ever overturned, I'm going to move to Canada (just kidding...sort of). A woman should have control over what she does with her body. Until the fetus develops a central nervous system and is able to survive on its own, it is nothing more than a parasite.

Also, just because you're pro-choice, that doesn't mean you're pro-killing babies. Pro-choice means exactly what it sounds like: women should have the CHOICE of whether they want to abort a fetus or not. I'd also like to point out that if abortions were to become illegal, it would seriously affect the welfare of poorer women. They would be forced to either a) have children that they cannot afford to take care of or b) have cheap back alley abortions that would cause serious medical problems. And well, let's see...domino effect...it would strain the already very strained hospital resources. Imagine how great that would be! So yeah, if you wanna fuck over poor women and fuck up the health care system even more, go ahead and make abortion illegal :D
 
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I don't know where I stand on abortion... I'm neither for nor against, but I have to say that some clinics are totally sick! Does anyone else know how it's done in some places? They crush up the baby, while it's alive in the mother, in order to pull it out. Other times, they cut it up as the mother gives birth to it. I'm avoiding detail here... I saw a video in Ethics the other day, and every person in the class covered their eyes to begin with. Just the sight of un-born, cut up, bloody, severed feet, legs, arms, heads...spines... If people knew what happens, they might think twice.
 
Lirael said:
I don't know where I stand on abortion... I'm neither for nor against, but I have to say that some clinics are totally sick! Does anyone else know how it's done in some places? They crush up the baby, while it's alive in the mother, in order to pull it out. Other times, they cut it up as the mother gives birth to it. I'm avoiding detail here... I saw a video in Ethics the other day, and every person in the class covered their eyes to begin with. Just the sight of un-born, cut up, bloody, severed feet, legs, arms, heads...spines... If people knew what happens, they might think twice.
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Holy shit. Does your have a school an agenda, or what? I think that's so unbelievably wrong that they would show such a film in your "Ethics" class. Anyway, yeah, what you're describing is (I think) partial birth abortion. I'm against that, unless the mother is in medical danger. But that's not really the most common type of abortion at all. Most abortions happen very early in the pregnancy before there is any development of the fetus. It's basically a cluster of cells being flushed out of a woman's uterus. I think once you've got a baby that has a spine, heart, and central nervous system (ie: is pretty much developed), you shouldn't have an abortion, unless your life is in medical danger. Agh. A film like that is so misleading. That really isn't a common type of abortion.
 
*resurrects from the dead on hearing weight moral issues being discussed*
Erythritol, I gather that you may not have attended a Catholic school, one of which I had to ednure. We got compulsory lesons in Religion (under the crappy name of Religious, Moral and Philosophical Studies - read as indoctrination). Although I enjoyed the subject when it strayed away from discussing how brillinat God is, most of the lessons were taken up by hectoring.

Let me make this clear - I have nothing against religion. I follow the principle that you can do what the hell you want unless it starts harming or interfering others.

But when teachers think it's a good idea to show this to twelve year olds...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THS2zZ4m260
...then things become disturbing.

When you're young, this film really has a polarising effect. I have friends who are so anti-abortion, it's slightly unhealthy, and others you are completly pro-choice. In the end, it was wrong to show it to us.

And here's the crux of the argument - what impelled the teachers to show the film? Simple- it's because they had been shown similiar "educationial" material like that.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that some indiviuals try to indoctrinate us to think they're way, and what the discussion should be is how we ioculate ourselves against those people, whether or not your pro-chocie or pro-life.

Anyhoo, that's my two cents. Let the flame wars recomence.
 
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