Do you think you are hot?

[Zeen21]

So in that case....you'd pick being plain or ugly?

Who said I'd pick being plain or ugly? You don't have to have lots of plastic surgery or be vain to be attractive.

You may not like it, but society is governed by looks. It's manifest in the lowest scales like high school cliques to getting job interviews and onward. No boss is going to hire someone who doesn't look clean, etc. And lots of places hire based on how hot someone is. I sure wouldn't wanna walk into a department store and see some ugly/fat chick strutting around in their clothes, they're going to pick someone hot to model off their product.

I know. Sadly that is true, society is too into looks. But people shouldn't get sucked into that. Too many people are easily impressionable and slaves to the media. Most of the people you see in magazines, posters, etc who you think are attractive/perfect are completey airbrushed. Looking clean and well kept doesn't mean you have to look like a supermodel. Yes some places hire people based on looks, but not most. If your going to be having a job where looks is a necessity of course you need to look the way they want you to. None of this means you should be really vain though.

My point is that high self-esteem makes you happy with the way you are. YOU'RE saying that high self-esteem is bad. What's wrong with loving what God gave you? People with low self-esteem sometimes ruin their bodies with unneccasary procedures, no matter if they are attractive or not. They don't accept their flaws and they get a false sense of self-esteem gained by an unnatural source.

You say having high self-esteem is vain? Well I don't see what's vain about loving the only body you will ever have...

I'm not saying high self esteem is bad, there's a difference from high self esteem and being vain. Just like I said theres a difference from having a lot of confidence and being arrogant. There's nothing wrong with loving what you were given. It's just when you make it too obvious that it becomes narcissism (yep, that's the word I was looking for). :wink:

I don't think plastic surgery is wrong, it helps people's confidence extremely. You only live once and if you want to make yourself look better its fine. But there's a limit. I think implants, hair extentions, excessive make-up, things like that is what makes people fake, because they actually have fake things to their bodies. Not everything has to be 100% natural, infact most people aren't. Am I unnatural and wrong for straightening my hair? Even though it gives me more confidence?

 

[Rockman X]

I know. Sadly that is true, society is too into looks. But people shouldn't get sucked into that. Too many people are easily impressionable and slaves to the media. Most of the people you see in magazines, posters, etc who you think are attractive/perfect are completey airbrushed. Looking clean and well kept doesn't mean you have to look like a supermodel. Yes some places hire people based on looks, but not most. If your going to be having a job where looks is a necessity of course you need to look the way they want you to. None of this means you should be really vain though.

I never said anyone had to look like a supermodel, people simply like to look the best they can with what they can afford. I find it rather disgusting when people cake on the makeup and try to look like Paris Hilton.

I'm not saying high self esteem is bad, there's a difference from high self esteem and being vain. Just like I said theres a difference from having a lot of confidence and being arrogant. There's nothing wrong with loving what you were given. It's just when you make it too obvious that it becomes narcissism (yep, that's the word I was looking for). :wink:

Narcissism really doesn't become a problem unless you start thinking you're the best thing to happen to the world. Simply looking in the mirror and going "oh wow, I'm hot" doesn't hurt anybody. It's what we do with that self-awareness that can be beneficial or detrimental.

 

[Zeen21]

I never said anyone had to look like a supermodel, people simply like to look the best they can with what they can afford. I find it rather disgusting when people cake on the makeup and try to look like Paris Hilton.

Yeah I know? Never said theres anything wrong with wanting to look your best. Yep, she's the defination of fake! Even has fake eyes.

Narcissism really doesn't become a problem unless you start thinking you're the best thing to happen to the world. Simply looking in the mirror and going "oh wow, I'm hot" doesn't hurt anybody. It's what we do with that self-awareness that can be beneficial or detrimental.

Narcissism is still sickly annoying.

Of course its much better to love yourself and have high self-esteem, I never said thinking your hot and admiring yourself is a bad thing. But people should be modest about it, not going on about it to others. Not acting like its the only/main thing they like about themselves, too obsessed with looks, self obsessed, etc. That's not beneficial and makes looks seem even more important when it shouldn't be.

 

[Rockman X]

Of course its much better to love yourself and have high self-esteem, I never said thinking your hot and admiring yourself is a bad thing.

You uh......sorta worded things that way. We all thought you meant it was terrible for people to acknowledge their own attractiveness and state it.

But people should be modest about it, not going on about it to others. Not acting like its the only/main thing they like about themselves, too obsessed with looks, self obsessed, etc. That's not beneficial and makes looks seem even more important when it shouldn't be.

Well frankly, there's not that much I like about myself. I like my ability to massively pwn people, and I like my looks. That's about it. So what do you think I'm gonna do? I'm gonna concentrate on what I like about myself. So really, it is beneficial to me, and it's not hurting anyone else either.

 

[Bambi]

Well frankly, there's not that much I like about myself. I like my ability to massively pwn people, and I like my looks. That's about it. So what do you think I'm gonna do? I'm gonna concentrate on what I like about myself. So really, it is beneficial to me, and it's not hurting anyone else either.

And good pwn abilities and looks they are aswel

I tend too feel differently about myself on a day to day basis, as Jane said earlier (cba going back to quote) If my hair behaves itself and I have clear skin, I feel better about myself, I won't walk around with my head down feeling like shite, I'l prance around and just generally feel good about myself. And that confidence in people is an attractive trait to anyone. I'm feeling abit hacked off by this extra half a stone I'm carrying around, and that's kinda dented my self esteem a little, especially as it's getting warmer and I have a podgy belly

 

[der Astronom]

I gain self esteem, not from my looks, something I can change very little, but from whatever success I can get in my life otherwise, from things that I am actually good at and can change.

I draw well and have won contests on occasion--I can pride in that.

I post well, and contribute lots to debates--I can pride in that.

I do math a lot, and think about it at a high level, and am able to solve several problems or prove certain theorems or ideas--I can definitely pride in that.

Why worry over how you look; if you say you're ugly, either you don't care about how you look, or don't want attention. If you say you're moderate looking, you're being honest and humble. If you say you're great looking, but only because others say you are, you're also being honest. But if you're saying you do look great and want people to care, perhaps you're just asking for attention. And if you also say that because it makes your self esteem better, why should something you can't change do that for you? You can look good and still be a jerk. It'll just be too late for everyone else when they realize it.

You can't change your looks, but you can change your brain. Believe me, it's more plastic than you give it credit for.

 

[Erythritol]

I agree with VR. There's nothing wrong with being slightly vain. Honestly, humans are extremely vain and self-centered creatures. Don't even bother arguing. For the majority of people, it's true (yes, there are exceptions). Having confidence in how you look can really raise self-esteem. Not to mention, those who are really confident about themselves usually are the more successful people in life. If you think you're good looking, why should you fake modesty? That's stupid. Fake modesty is even more sickening than being vain. I hate it. If you're good looking or good at something, don't bother with the modesty. It's not wrong to have confidence in your looks or in your abilities. Fuck that crap.

I also agree with Angelus. I'd rather have a great mind than be super sexy. I think that's something you should have more pride in.

 

[Zeen21]

It's not wrong to have confidence in your looks or in your abilities

I've said many times having confidence is a great thing! But being vain isn't, if someone kept telling me how hot they are it would make them really unattractive as a whole/personality wize. Maybe you lot are different, and that's just you.

Vain = Excessively proud of one's appearance; conceited. Egotistical, narcissistic.

Nothing wrong with a bit of that?

There's nothing wrong with loving yourself, but not when its excessive that you appear vain.

If you think you're good looking, why should you fake modesty? That's stupid. Fake modesty is even more sickening than being vain. I hate it. If you're good looking or good at something, don't bother with the modesty.

Being modest is far better than being egotistical and going on about how hot you think you are to everyone. Always saying things like "I look so much hotter than her/him" "Why am I so beautiful?", like saying it in a way thats rude to others and conceited. Of course humans are self-centered creatures but that doesn't mean you should be like that.

Modest = Having or showing a moderate or humble estimate of one's merits, importance, etc.; free from vanity, egotism, boastfulness, or great pretensions.

Of course false modesty is annoying too. But its better being the kind of person that would answer "Thanks" after being told "You look hot", than "I know I do".

You uh......sorta worded things that way. We all thought you meant it was terrible for people to acknowledge their own attractiveness and state it.

No acknowledging it is fine and believing your attractive is great, just don't go screaming it from rooftops and telling the world how good looking you think you are. I think that's a bad thing and I find people like that really annoying and self-centered. Especially as looks isn't that important and they don't last.

I tend too feel differently about myself on a day to day basis, as Jane said earlier (cba going back to quote) If my hair behaves itself and I have clear skin, I feel better about myself, I won't walk around with my head down feeling like shite, I'l prance around and just generally feel good about myself. And that confidence in people is an attractive trait to anyone.

Yeah that's exactly what I'm like, that's why knowing you look good makes you feel good and promotes self confidence and self esteem. And when your confident you can walk happily with your head up high. (confidence is attractive, not vanity). But you don't NEED to look good in order to get that, some people may have messy hair, or bad skin yet still be confident and hold their head up high. It's about personality. :wink:

I gain self esteem, not from my looks, something I can change very little, but from whatever success I can get in my life otherwise, from things that I am actually good at and can change.

Yep that's a much better way of gaining self esteem, from what you can do and the person you are.

 

[Erythritol]

Yeah, but this isn't a thread of "what do you hope to accomplish with your life and in doing so, build self esteem?" This is a thread of "how hot do you think you are?" And people are going to give honest opinions. Quite frankly, if they think they're 8 or 9, or even 10, good for them. I'm happy they have that much confidence in their looks. I think I'm about a 7 or an 8, so I'm going to answer truthfully. I'm not going to say, "ooh welll....I'm....like...a 4....boohoo...." That would just be lying and being falsely modest. No one is really being that vain. Everyone is just giving their honest opinions of themselves, which, for some reason, made you get on your little moral soapbox. I'd also point out that this is in costa del sol, which means it's not SERIOUS BUSINESS. It's just people rating their looks.

 

[der Astronom]

I'd think the problem is with being too vain. If you go too far, then you have arrogance, and lots of people don't like that. It's probably an ego problem more than anything else though, but in principle, you don't win friends that way, and employers and other people capable of helping your career and for you to succeed would think you're a stupid hotshot. I guess that becomes obvious though when every second post you make is about how great you look.

 

[Erythritol]

I'd think the problem is with being too vain. If you go too far, then you have arrogance, and lots of people don't like that. It's probably an ego problem more than anything else though, but in principle, you don't win friends that way, and employers and other people capable of helping your career and for you to succeed would think you're a stupid hotshot. I guess that becomes obvious though when every second post you make is about how great you look.

But no one is making lots of posts about how uber sexy hot they are. It's just a thread about rating your looks on a scale of one to ten. She's trashing people for rating themselves highly, which is just stupid. That's not being vain, that's having confidence.

 

[der Astronom]

Which is why I mentioned that so that she would know the difference.

If she wants a better thread, she could suggest one where everyone else rates how you look.

 

[Erythritol]

If she wants a better thread, she could suggest one where everyone else rates how you look.

Sweet god, that would end in blood and tears.

 

[der Astronom]

But I admit it would be amusing in some ways.

Oh, I am so terrible.

 

[Zeen21]

I'm replying to what others have said, it got into a debate about vanity. Not my fault others decided to debate with me! I didn't just suddenly get on my 'moral soapbox' (what kinda word is that anyway?)

Never said people were being THAT vain on here, but some were being vain. And maybe some weren't giving false modesty? Just because someone's modest doesn't mean its false.

Giving yourself a 10 or 9 rating on your looks and saying how hot you are to everyone isn't confidence, its vain.

And giving yourself a really low number is sad aswell, so at the end of the day just rating yourself in the first place is stupid. That's all I've been saying, so let's just stop this!

 

[Erythritol]

I'm replying to what others have said, it got into a debate about vanity. Not my fault others decided to debate with me! I didn't just suddenly get on my 'moral soapbox' (what kinda word is that anyway?)

Never said people were being THAT vain on here, but some were being vain. And maybe some weren't giving false modesty? Just because someone's modest doesn't mean its false.

Giving yourself a 10 or 9 rating on your looks and saying how hot you are isn't confidence, its vain and ugly.

And giving yourself a really low number is sad aswell, so just rating yourself in the first place is stupid.

So if rating yourself is stupid in the first place, why did you bother clicking on this thread? It's just a harmless thread for fun. My god. The people who gave themselves high ratings....are actually pretty hot, I'd say. And good for them that they know it. Everyone should feel that great about themselves.

 

[der Astronom]

But to be fair, the concept of "looks" is rather subjective, and if you rate yourself as good looking, other people may disagree. You may say you are hot and rate yourself high all you want--there are people that disagree and don't particularly care, and others who say they aren't hot, and other people disagree with that too. If people want to be vain, that's their problem, not ours.

 

[Zeen21]

Geez, you post too quickly.

It's just a thread about rating your looks on a scale of one to ten. She's trashing people for rating themselves highly, which is just stupid. That's not being vain, that's having confidence.

It is vain, "I'm hot, I'm definatly a 10/10." How does that not seem vain? Too much self-praise isn't good.

So if rating yourself is stupid in the first place, why did you bother clicking on this thread? It's just a harmless thread for fun. My god. The people who gave themselves high ratings....are actually pretty hot, I'd say. And good for them that they know it. Everyone should feel that great about themselves.

Because I wanted to give my opinion that its silly? The world would be a horrible place if everyone was vain. You may think they're hot, but others may not.

But to be fair, the concept of "looks" is rather subjective, and if you rate yourself as good looking, other people may disagree. You may say you are hot and rate yourself high all you want--there are people that disagree and don't particularly care, and others who say they aren't hot, and other people disagree with that too. If people want to be vain, that's their problem, not ours.

Exactly, so it shows how even more stupid it is.

Yeah if they want to be vain fine, but I was just trying to say how its a BAD thing not a good thing like everyone else seems to think.

she could suggest one where everyone else rates how you look.

That would be even worse on everyone.

Edit: How about one where people say which Final Fantasy charcter the person above looks more like?

 

[der Astronom]

Being vain is not a good thing, but being honest is. If you look good, then you look good. If you look bad, then you look bad. People can't help if they look good and deserve a 10, and they can't help it either if they deserve a 1. Either way, it's all in good fun.

 

[Erythritol]

You obviously have drastically different ideas on vanity than I do. A simple declaration of thinking oneself to be attractive is apparently vain. Me, I just think it's honest and shows self-confidence. Hey, if you wanna walk around either with no confidence or with false modesty, be my guest. And just to let you know, people who are OVERLY confident are far more successful in life than those who are under confident. I could go into a long, drawn-out explanation but a) I don't care enough and b) you're just gonna keep squawking about how rating yourself a 10 is being vain. If you don't like it, keep away from this thread. Like I said, it's in Costa del Sol, not Shinra Building.