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It seems they've just reduced their vocabulary to "intelligent" and "not intelligent". No wonder my point about intelligence being irrelevant keeps getting ignored. FFF is simply not a forum that's geared towards intellectual elitism. It's geared primarily towards Final Fantasy discussion. I could also say that other forums aren't necessarily geared towards intellectual elitism either.
 
You could probably replace intelligence for any other factor and all of our arguments, yours and mine, would still follow a logical path. It's just we've been discussing an example to make discussion easier. The purpose here is to talk about what any forum could experience.
 
ClotiFan said:
LOCP doesn't actually use it anymore. Some people were opposed to it, so others (like myself) let the idea drop. We acheived such a thing through reasoning and discussion.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Reasoning, discussion and LOCP do not exist in the same context as each other.

Elitism, mockery, ignorance, self-righteous arrogance and an overbearing level of stupidity and LOCP exist in perfect harmony with each other, mind.
 
I know it seems out of this world to you, but when banning is used in such a trivial way, it degrades the value of it and makes members less afraid of it. Nobody wants to post on a forum where their words are dictated by fear!
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So basically by randomly and unfairly banning a member you hope to make them realize that the staff can do it at moment's notice? Nobody wants to be on a forum where anybody can be banned because the mod feels like it. It seems more than out of this world. It sounds downright illogical and very much like bullying.

I don't think a noob forum is that discriminatory. When you play a lot of online games, the characters under level 10 or whatever, for example, are kept to a certain area or can't become a certain class. It's for them to get used to the place, and to prove that they're not just going to enter and spam the place up.
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Not the same thing at all. What was purposed was that the members could tell newer members "....you're being a fucking idioit". That's not a nuturing environment. That's just creating a place so the members can bully the newer members.

LOCP doesn't actually use it anymore. Some people were opposed to it, so others (like myself) let the idea drop. We acheived such a thing through reasoning and discussion.
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Here we go again with your pro-LOCP remarks. What works your forum will not necessarily work here. We have a different audience and the staff wish to run things differently. And I thought we weren't suppose to mention other forums?

You could probably replace intelligence for any other factor and all of our arguments, yours and mine, would still follow a logical path. It's just we've been discussing an example to make discussion easier. The purpose here is to talk about what any forum could experience.
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Sephiroth's point is, if I interpet correctly, is that while some forums are discriminatory based on whether the individual has some percieved "higher intelligence" others do not. A final fantasy based forum isn't interested in high n' mighty stuff like that. They members are just there to discuss...Final Fantasy and stuff relative to that.

What next a forum that discriminates based on what you look like? :lol:
 
I don't recall saying the noob forum existed so we could make fun of people.

Once again, I'm not saying what happens at LOCP should happen here. I've said it numerous times before: This discussion in no way is meant to tell FFF what to do. It's a general discussion that applies to politics on any type of forum. FFF rules are not to be altered.
 
That's right, Dragonsoul. A Final Fantasy forum exists for discussion on that game. It could be intelligent, it could be silly, it could be for fun, or it could be downright unintelligent. As long as it's about Final Fantasy and it's unoffensive, it doesn't really matter.
 
I have so many things I could say to that... ¬_¬
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:lol: I don't doubt you do.

I don't recall saying the noob forum existed so we could make fun of people.
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You don't need to say it. Since that's what a newbie (noob is an offense term, btw) forum is obviously for. The mods can educate their members on a case by case basis. A "noob" forum only promotes segergation.

Once again, I'm not saying what happens at LOCP should happen here. I've said it numerous times before: This discussion in no way is meant to tell FFF what to do. It's a general discussion that applies to politics on any type of forum. FFF rules are not to be altered.
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Well, then, stop mentioning the forums, any forums. The rules of any forum are to be altered as need be by the staff. They pay for the forum, after all.
 
I've only been mentioning LOCP to use them as an example, but you keep bring up FFF. I don't want to talk about FFF; FFF is run perfectly fine in my books.

I think the new member forum would promote members getting to know the new users, not to segregate.
 
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I don't want to talk about FFF; FFF is run perfectly fine in my books.
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ClotiFan said:
I think the new member forum would promote members getting to know the new users, not to segregate.
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:wacko:

I think my brain just melted.

Actually, here's a suggestion for helping new members geting to know established members, and vica-versa. Create a few threads geared towards such.
 
There's already plenty of threads for that. They're all in the Meeting Room, and the Seventh Heaven Inn. What specifically were you looking for? Forum Ettiquette? As in, don't flame, harass members, cause drama or post pictures that aren't yours in the Member Picture Thread without asking for permission?
 
True, but what I wanted to do was have the new member not be able to post anywhere else until they introduce themselves. That's the point of the new member forum, so that people can't invade and post textbombs, or people like aerosol can't just sign up and start drama.

Seph, we're not talking about FFF here, just discussing possibilities in general.
 
The main reason for a member joining a forum is for discussion of Final Fantasy, games, art, or whatever else the forum was created for. So if you didn't allow new members to post in most of the forums, it would kind of defeat the purpose, since most members would join for the purpose of the discussion, not just for getting to know the members on that forum. It is expected at the average forum, that new members read the guidelines and know what they should expect, and how they can remain on the forums and be in good terms with the other members on that forum, as well as the staff. If they don't read it, and don't have an understanding of what is to be expected on that forum, then they aren't really part of the crowd that the forum is geared towards. It would be something that they're responsible for.
 
What I was talking about is a forum that's geared as an online community, not just a forum where unknown or anonymous people can sign up and talk about things. That said, the current members of the community are going to want to ensure their community doesn't get filled with people that hate Final Fantasy, for example, and are only there to just make fun of people that play FF or are just there to start fights over FF facts, stuff like that. The new member forum would prevent riff raff like that from getting in and ruining everyone's good time.
 
That's unnecessarily complicating things and risking alienation of new members. If I joined a forum I wouldn't want to wait some probationary period because 1 out of ten members needs to be banned. If the member makes a nuisance of him/herself the staff can just deal withe accordingly. A probationary period is assuming the new member is gonna be unfit for the forum and that's not an ideal I'd like to promote.
 
There are certain people that may cause trouble (ie, Sar and Abel) or troll threads, but that's what the warning system is for. Even if there was restricted access, they would eventually get access to the other forums, and could still cause trouble there. Although I guess hating certain characters from FF, or not liking a few of the games from the series isn't exactly an issue on FF forums, since they are things that can still be discussed. The concern would be more for flaming members, causing drama or harassing members and making them feel uncomfortable. Or in some cases, bitching for no apparent reason.
 
I guess it would complicate things, you're right. That's probably why it was abandoned on LOCP.

I'm out of new ideas for now. I'm proud of us, we managed to keep this discussion on subject for the majority of the thread. :)
 
Abel said:
It seems like a lot of people disagree about this, and thus it's a hot topic. I think it would be interesting to discuss our opinions, free of the "LOCP vs. FFF" turn the last thread took. I'm sure nobody would mind if other forums are used as examples, so let's keep it free of the bias that saturated the last thread so.

So what's better for a forum? Athenian Democracy, Communism, Tolitarianism? Anarchy?

Dicuss.
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I liked the idea of the Athenian democracy actually. A created council by the people followed by a frequented ostracism keeps the swell in power and the bland filtered from.
 
Exactly, like how Shin CZ was removed from LOCP. We can't have people talking about video games all the time.
 
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