Miley Cyrus Teaching young girls to... Lap Dance everywhere

[Terra Branford]

Underage drinking has never ever happened before...ever.

Think what you want about her but to say that she's "pressing" her lifestyle on the "poor little girls" who watch her show is bullshit. Kid's don't read tabloids. Parents do. And it isn't the little eight year olds that are out buying her products and CDs. If the parents have a problem with her, they can turn off the tv and stop buying her merchandise. It is NOT her job to be the perfect role model for someone's kid and I think it's silly to expect that of a teenager who pretty much grew up in the spotlight.

Yes, it actually does happen.

You obviously don't know how obsessed her fans are with her. These children idolize her. You do know that her show is very poplar on her channel? They buy her cds, movies, watche her shows and sees the videos to her music.

You don't think they'll use the internet to run a search on their most favorite singer/actress?

I think the below will show how many kids watch and listen to her. That is how impressions are made, ah-course.

Her debut album, Meet Miley Cyrus, and her second album, Breakout, both debuted at #1 on the Billboard top 200. Her single "Party in the U.S.A." was Hollywood Records fastest-selling single.

She has been nominated for 40 various awards, and has won 19.

Forbes magazine ranked Miley #35 on the "Celebrity 100" list for earning $25 million in 2008. She was #29 in 2009.

The opening weekend, February 1–3, 2008, the movie had gross revenue of $29 million. It was the number one movie of the weekend. Opening in only 638 theaters, it set a record of over $42,000 per theater. It set a record for the highest revenue for a 3-D movie for one weekend.

 

[Davey Gaga]

/late, /tl;dr

I think the thing people are missing with the 44-year old lap-dancee was that he is very, very gay and, if anything, it's a very modern thing for women to take the piss out of the gays in a heterosexual way. It happens everywhere, and gays love it. While she is indeed a role model (but probably only for girls too young to know what was wrong with it anyway) we also need to consider that 1) she's 16 herself and isn't in much of a position to be teaching youngsters anything, so she shouldn't be expected to always be aware of herself when she's out and about and 2) if the media didn't blow it out in the air then said youngsters would never have been exposed to it in the first place.

Smry: she's 16, mistake-prone and the media's still shit.

 

[Ilyena]

Yes, it actually does happen.

You obviously don't know how obsessed her fans are with her. These children idolize her. You do know that her show is very poplar on her channel? They buy her cds, movies, watche her shows and sees the videos to her music.

You don't think they'll use the internet to run a search on their most favorite singer/actress?

I think the below will show how many kids watch and listen to her. That is how impressions are made, ah-course.

The word sarcasm is clearly lost on you and way to take my post entirely out of context.

Like I said, the parents are the ones paying for the cable, the internet, the music and the movies. I have a 12 year old niece and whenever she visit, she doesn't watch that bullshit in my house because I won't allow it. Simple as that. It's not Miley's job to teach someone's child how to act like you feel teenagers should act.

 

[Sabriel]

Teel Deer

Can I actually point out that she knows personal details about Nick Jonas as well? She put in a song that he always wears Levi Jeans. Now this plus the fact she taught girls (never mind their ages and sexes) how to lapdance EVERYWHERE is quite creepy.

the media's still shit.

It has always been shit. But in this case, they're not making it up and turning it ugly, she's the one who has the motive.

 

[Marquis of Granby]

Teel Deer

Can I actually point out that she knows personal details about Nick Jonas as well? She put in a song that he always wears Levi Jeans. Now this plus the fact she taught girls (never mind their ages and sexes) how to lapdance EVERYWHERE is quite creepy.



It has always been shit. But in this case, they're not making it up and turning it ugly, she's the one who has the motive.

yes motive. her motive is this: she's a teenager (probably about 6 years older than you) and she wants to have fun. fun is fun. fuck cameras. simple as that.

if you disagree:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuLugxEjUlQ#t=0m8s

 

[Toshiya]

tl;dr

Bottom line is, if people want to follow her example and grind (cos let's face it, it's hardly a 'lap-dance', is it?) against 44-year-olds they can. Personally, 44-year-olds are a little bit old for me but each to their own

Seriously though, not all people are stupid enough to follow her example and do stuff if they don't want to. Not everyone is completely impressionable.

 

[Ewan]

Wow. I can't believe the number of people shocked by this.

All of you, go to a club or go to a house party. That's the style of dance we have nowadays and she was just having fun so get over it if it's not to your taste.

And if you're worried about her influence as a role model then just remember we have the internet. They could easily find out 'worse' things from a simple google search. Not to mention their friends are going to influence them as well.

 

[Terra Branford]

Wow. I can't believe the number of people shocked by this.

All of you, go to a club or go to a house party. That's the style of dance we have nowadays and she was just having fun so get over it if it's not to your taste.

And if you're worried about her influence as a role model then just remember we have the internet. They could easily find out 'worse' things from a simple google search. Not to mention their friends are going to influence them as well.

They won't google things unless they see it. "Hey, I wanna know how to dance like that!" Says a 10 year old girl. Goes to google and searches it up.

They won't go searching without a guide or a point to start from. It doesn't just POP into their heads, they hear or learn it form someplace.

Like on CNN right now, those 9-10 years are dressed like hookers and dancing like strippers. Change it to the news, see how impressionable little children on.


She was, not anymore of course, a underage girl. The 40 year old man was grinding all over her and vice-versa and he thinks sexual acts against a underage female is okay because -- now, I don't know if this bit is true, but this is what I've been told -- he's gay. Doesn't matter what orientation you are, age matters. :wtf:

All of you, go to a club or go to a house party. That's the style of dance we have nowadays and she was just having fun so get over it if it's not to your taste.

You're right, that is the style....OF ADULTS! How the hell did she even get into a party or bar at her age? People under the legal age aren't even allowed to step foot in those types of places...

But the reason why I'm angered by it, is that she knows there are millions of little girls who look up to her. She knows they will search her name up. She knows they will see what she does.

And yet she encourages and what's worse, her father and mother allowed this when she was underage.

That's what bothers me and to see people saying its okay, is just really wrong. These kids/teenagers we are talking about are underage, not something you can gawk over like they are 20-30 or 40 years old. People look at them as a sexual person, when the legal age is 18. Yes, yes, she's 18 now. I know.

The word sarcasm is clearly lost on you and way to take my post entirely out of context.

Dude, how am I suppose to tell sarcasm apart from being serious OVER THE INTERNET!? DUHN-DUHN-DUUUUH.

In order for me to tell you are being sarcastic over the internet without the aid of a voice, I would have to know you personally, I would have to know your humor. What triggers it, what jokes you make.

Its impossible -- unless its incredible clear -- to detect sarcasm over the web, unless I know you.

 

[Ewan]

Yes, and my post did specify that little girls are likely to hear about this stuff anyway. And how do you know they won't google anything? They could easily come across dance from a variety of sources. It's called surfing the web.

You're right, that is the style....OF ADULTS! How the hell did she even get into a party or bar at her age? People under the legal age aren't even allowed to step foot in those types of places...

If you had followed the link it says it's a wrap party. I'm assuming it's her film.

Also, you just proved my point. That style of dancing is not only for adults these days. I mean seriously... come on. Go to a house party or a gathering... this is commonplace.

You can't keep protecting people. What 14-18 year old doesn't know what the popular dance style is these days? They all know and the they know about drugs, sex and alcohol as well. You're trying to protect kids from the very thing they already know about. Don't pretend all the little kiddies are surprised when they get to their first sex ed class.

 

[Terra Branford]

Yes, and my post did specify that little girls are likely to hear about this stuff anyway. And how do you know they won't google anything? They could easily come across dance from a variety of sources. It's called surfing the web.

Children don't surf the web unless given a reason. Surfing the web, unless you search out body parts or explict words, you won't get anything like that. Try running a kid friendly search they do, you won't be led to poll dancing and other things unless you type certain words, which kids wouldn't know unless they had a bad role model or grew up watching adult shows.

Go to a house party or a gathering... this is commonplace.

I guess when rapes become common, it'll be normal and not frowned upon anymore? Because the above said that.

You can't keep protecting people. What 14-18 year old doesn't know what the popular dance style is these days? They all know and the they know about drugs, sex and alcohol as well. You're trying to protect kids from the very thing they already know about. Don't pretend all the little kiddies are surprised when they get to their first sex ed class.

Again, I put "

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So, by your logic, let's continue to let Miley do these things whilst still a role model to children so those children (9-11) can go grinding against a 40 year old man?

I guess, with the rapid increase of 10 years dressing and dancing like adults, its normal to have a 10 year running around in this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qxp-loXjNS0

OH NO! NEVER MIND! THEY ARE 7!

Wow, its becoming common now. Will it be normal, Graye?

 

[CassinoChips]

Children don't surf the web unless given a reason. Surfing the web, unless you search out body parts or explict words, you won't get anything like that. Try running a kid friendly search they do, you won't be led to poll dancing and other things unless you type certain words, which kids wouldn't know unless they had a bad role model or grew up watching adult shows.

You can't insulate kids from everything. The things kids at the middle school that feeds our high school know would shock you. Whether it's right or wrong, it's the truth.

I guess when rapes become common, it'll be normal and not frowned upon anymore? Because the above said that.

No it didn't. It was talking about dancing, not rape. Those are two different things. You can deal with one without involving the other.

So, by your logic, let's continue to let Miley do these things whilst still a role model to children so those children (9-11) can go grinding against a 40 year old man?

I guess, with the rapid increase of 10 years dressing and dancing like adults, its normal to have a 10 year running around in this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qxp-loXjNS0

OH NO! NEVER MIND! THEY ARE 7!

Wow, its becoming common now. Will it be normal, Graye?

She is a role model. She is not a parent. A good parent would take their child, show them this, and say "You see, she's human. Humans make mistakes and poor choices, especially when they are teenagers. Is it bad that she felt comfortable enough with this guy to dance like this? Not necessarily. Is it her fault there was a camera around? No. But the way things are today, everything you do, especially if you become famous, will be over-scrutinized and blown out of proportion."

 

[Ewan]

I guess when rapes become common, it'll be normal and not frowned upon anymore? Because the above said that.

When something becomes common and accepted in society then it's normal... as rape was long ago.

However, rape (which is a massive difference to dancing in that manner) can be shown to discernible negative consequences. But what is wrong with Miley dancing? She's just having fun. Being a teenager. They only way you can back up your point is bring up something unrelated and use rape for shock factor.

So, by your logic, let's continue to let Miley do these things whilst still a role model to children so those children (9-11) can go grinding against a 40 year old man?

How have you drawn that conclusion? That was not the message in my post. Miley can't be a role model when she's being secretly filmed. It's also the job of parents to guide their children. Miley Cyrus isn't their mum.


So what's the problem with her dancing like that? Is she harming anyone? Or does it just offend you? I'm not necessarily saying it's right but you seem to be bashing her just... because.

 

[Terra Branford]

No it didn't. It was talking about dancing, not rape. Those are two different things. You can deal with one without involving the other.

@Cassino: I wasn't talkin' to ya
But I agree with the last of your post ^.^

But, if I must. The fact that he brought up it becoming common made me bring up the rape thing. Since its become a common thing, he thinks its normal. So if rape becomes a common things, will it become normal? Its the same logic.

When something becomes common and accepted in society then it's normal... as rape was long ago.

However, rape (which is a massive difference to dancing in that manner) can be shown to discernible negative consequences. But what is wrong with Miley dancing? She's just having fun. Being a teenager. They only way you can back up your point is bring up something unrelated and use rape for shock factor.

Nothing is wrong with her dancing...if she wasn't influencing others, who are easily impressionable. I'm not saying its entirely her fault, parents need to stop their children from watching Hannah Montana and other shows not suited for their age.

How have you drawn that conclusion? That was not the message in my post. Miley can't be a role model when she's being secretly filmed. It's also the job of parents to guide their children. Miley Cyrus isn't their mum.

Because the logic of your post, that's how. Off camera or on, she is STILL a ROLE MODEL.

So what's the problem with her dancing like that? Is she harming anyone? Or does it just offend you? I'm not necessarily saying it's right but you seem to be bashing her just... because.

So disagreeing with you, and Miley's actions, makes you think I'm "bashing" her just to "bash".

As I said above, nothing is wrong with the dances. Well, personally, I don't like it. The problem is that she knows she's being watched not only by adults and paparazzi, but by children. THAT'S the problem.

Now I have to go for a while, I'll check back on when I get to the internet again.

Good day.

 

[CassinoChips]

@Cassino: I wasn't talkin' to ya

Wasn't asking your permission to post.

But, if I must. The fact that he brought up it becoming common made me bring up the rape thing. Since its become a common thing, he thinks its normal. So if rape becomes a common things, will it become normal? Its the same logic.

You can't apply the same logic to the two separate entities. Dancing is harmless. Rape is not. Whether rape becomes commonplace or not is irrelevant, because it has a tangible negative effects. Whether dancing can influence a kid is much more subjective and virtually impossible to prove.

It's like saying if we change Tax Law X, then we have to change Building Code Permit Law Y. Well, no, we don't, because the two things operate independently of each other.

 

[Abstract Debauchery]

Well, to be perfectly fair. I doubt she became a singer for the soul purpose of being a role model. Odds are, she wanted the money. Who are we to tell her, "Hey, you can't dance like that because you have fans that happen to be children."? She didn't choose to become a role model.

So, she wants to dance like a whore. Let her, it's her life, her actions, and if parents don't want their kids watching or listening to her, don't let them. She isn't responsible for the actions of kids, the parents of said kids are.

She may influence them to do so. However, that isn't her problem. If I was famous, I sure as shit wouldn't stop cussing because a kid likes one of my books, or one of my movies.

A person should define themselves by doing whatever it is they want to do, not what their fanbase does.

For example: Lord of the Rings is a great fucking book. I love it with all of my being. I love it for what it is, and what it brought to the table. However, there are fans that like to dress up as elves and fight for their non-existent nation. You don't see me going, "Look at those morons dressed as elves and getting pissed off at people dressed as Orcs! Look what Lord of the Rings made them do! I HATE YOU LORD OF THE RINGS! ".

 

[Ewan]

Because the logic of your post, that's how. Off camera or on, she is STILL a ROLE MODEL.

No. It really wasn't. You made an assumption when all I said was that children learn from various mediums.
Also, you are demanding an impossible task from her. On and off? Get real. No one can put up an act all the time.

So disagreeing with you, and Miley's actions, makes you think I'm "bashing" her just to "bash".

As I said above, nothing is wrong with the dances. Well, personally, I don't like it. The problem is that she knows she's being watched not only by adults and paparazzi, but by children. THAT'S the problem.

No, because your problem seems to be that some kids may dance like her. Some and may being the important words. That isn't a reason. What is the effect on the child? Like Jesse/Cassino said, the effect is subjective and almost impossible to prove.
I know plenty of kids who saw 'adult' things when they were young, me included. But it's also part of the parents job to guide them when they do go wrong... which is not always the path the child takes.

It's called growing up.

Also, I think you're blowing this way out of proportion and being incredibly naive. That or we come from very different backgrounds where the kids you grew up with are alien to the ones I did.

EDIT: I think this is non issue. I really couldn't care less about people getting worked up about it (at least IMO they are) now that I think on it.

 

[eye of the divine]

jeez the way this thread is going you'd think she was shooting heroin into blind orphans veins or something.

It is fair to say that people fuck up is it not?

So why can't she?

In some countries girls are married with kids at her age with men that age and younger.

 

[Donald Trump]

jeez the way this thread is going you'd think she was shooting heroin into blind orphans veins or something.

It is fair to say that people fuck up is it not?

So why can't she?

Did she fuck up?
She's dancing with a guy, she's not done anything wrong as far as I'm concerned.

But, if I must. The fact that he brought up it becoming common made me bring up the rape thing. Since its become a common thing, he thinks its normal. So if rape becomes a common things, will it become normal? Its the same logic

It's fairly crude attempt to tie her dancing with rape.
It weakens your argument.

As I said above, nothing is wrong with the dances. Well, personally, I don't like it. The problem is that she knows she's being watched not only by adults and paparazzi, but by children. THAT'S the problem.

They watch her TV show, how many kiddies have seen this video. I also think you're being unfair to children they can differentiate between Hannah and the actress who plays her. They're not part of a cult they blindly follows what she does, they're perfectly capable of saying 'I won't do what she's doing'.

 

[eye of the divine]

Did she fuck up?
She's dancing with a guy, she's not done anything wrong as far as I'm concerned.

well thats what I think as well but obviously some people think she's done something wrong and my point was that she's human and we are all fallible.

 

[Davey Gaga]

Children don't surf the web unless given a reason. Surfing the web, unless you search out body parts or explict words, you won't get anything like that. Try running a kid friendly search they do, you won't be led to poll dancing and other things unless you type certain words, which kids wouldn't know unless they had a bad role model or grew up watching adult shows.

Gonna stop your naive posting right there. It's called curiosity and nearly all people suffer from it as they enter adolescence, or even before that. Why is that down to bad role modelling/parenting and watching explicit shows? These last few pages are so full of blind naive attitude that it's painful to read D:

But, if I must. The fact that he brought up it becoming common made me bring up the rape thing. Since its become a common thing, he thinks its normal. So if rape becomes a common things, will it become normal? Its the same logic.

Read up about social norms and conformity in psychology - it'll show you what's flawed slightly in your post. When majority populations (i.e. population of a country) hold a particular view then that view is accepted as the social norm, the done thing, the way you act as part of that group. Views change over time (e.g. homosexuality, while still partly condemned, was illegal at some point) and what might have been unheard of or socially unacceptable at one time might become the done thing later on. While technically this could happen with rape, it is by definition something that no one wants to happen and thus, unless the majority of the world become rapists, it's unlikely to degenerate in to 'the done thing'.

As I said above, nothing is wrong with the dances. Well, personally, I don't like it. The problem is that she knows she's being watched not only by adults and paparazzi, but by children. THAT'S the problem.

Again, if the paparazzi didn't publish their juicy gossip then it would never have been brought to the attention of the public and, then, the children who could be influenced by her generally fit the age of people who aren't interested in tabloids, so it would then filter down to parents, too. Regardless of how disgusting or filthy her actions might have been (note: they weren't, it's called having fun the modern way), if it wasn't exposed in the first place then there wouldn't be an issue. I think the media has to take a great deal of responsibility in influencing minors, too.

What they don't know can't hurt them, so don't let us know about it and it won't hurt anyone.