Rinoa Rant

Fiore di Neve said:
I have never seen Rinoa 'whine'...like ever... So it seems your problem is more with the fact of whom got with who, not really Rinoa and the rest of your rant seems to be about squall not Rinoa, you seem to be ranting about how Squalls feelings came out of "no where".

She made a mess for them once, and might I add she had the best of intentions, were it not for Quistis that wouldn't have gone on...

So because she is optimistic she is childish? having hope to better a situation makes one childish?

She wanted the ring because she loved him XD :randompoke:

Sorry but your reasons for disliking her are bogus.
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Haha, oh my god. Talk about going off the handle. Sorry but I've seen previous posts before me that say the same thing, so their thoughts must be bogus too. This is my OPINION, and that is yours. I would respect yours more if you weren't so disrespectful in the harshway of saying "Sorry but your reasons for disliking her are bogus." I don't care for Rinoa at all, that is my opinion, but of course mine doesn't square upto yours does it? Hence all this.
 
FF7Destiny said:
Haha, oh my god. Talk about going off the handle. Sorry but I've seen previous posts before me that say the same thing, so their thoughts must be bogus too. This is my OPINION, and that is yours. I would respect yours more if you weren't so disrespectful in the harshway of saying "Sorry but your reasons for disliking her are bogus." I don't care for Rinoa at all, that is my opinion, but of course mine doesn't square upto yours does it? Hence all this.
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Yes, I alreay was told not to be so harsh and agreed, I was having a bad day and was already angry to begin with....

But I would at least be able to understand your point a little more if I saw what you were referencing to? and I still say it seems like those were reasons for hating Squall not really Rinoa.....:thehell:
 
Fiore di Neve said:
Yes, I alreay was told not to be so harsh and agreed, I was having a bad day and was already angry to begin with....

But I would at least be able to understand your point a little more if I saw what you were referencing to? and I still say it seems like those were reasons for hating Squall not really Rinoa.....:thehell:
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I understand perfectly that you were having a bad day and you were angry, but you didn't have to target at me in that manner, really. What about my feelings? No, they were practically Rinoa, but I'm not saying anymore because I don't know whether to keep my mouth open or shut in case you fly off the handle again for discussing my opinions.
 
Okay guys, moving on. ^^ If you feel the need to continue or still have a problem, please take it to a moderator/admin or to PM, thanks. Keep it on topic =)
 
Ashe B'nargin said:
Does anybody feel like Rinoa is a bad female lead ?

Feel like Rinoa could be the worst Final Fantasy lead lady.

- When Rinoa and Squall meet each other. Rinoa is already dating Seifer and really at that moment she really has no reason to reject the guy. But just feel a little ticked off that she flirts around with Squall like she isn't dating anybody. I mean, argh. Poor Seifer.

- During the Parade she runs off alone to see a dangerous Witch by- herself ? And then ends up causing trouble for both Squall and Irvine. Mean Rinoa almost screwed up, Squall and Irvine's undercover mission. Both of them could of gotten caught and shot. Not to mention she made both Irvine and Squall panic and stress out.

- She doesn't try and stop Seifer from turning away from Evil ?- In fact she really doesn't care about Seifer at all anymore - ? Okay Seifer's gone bad, let's jump towards the next attractive guy in the flock ? ( Squall )

-When both of the main Gardens head into war. The only thing Rinoa cares about is Squall's ring ? and makes Zell panic and and stress out in the middle of chaos so he can grab a copy of Squall's Ring for Rinoa ?

- Then even though she's scared of fighting/ dislikes seeing violence. She Fights in a war anyways and when she gets into trouble (AGAIN ) She creates more panic for everybody. More Panic for Zell and make Squall stress out to the max.

- Yeah falls into coma. Squall is worried. More panic/ stress for Squall. >_>

- When she gains the powers that were once from Edea/ Marton. Just feel like Rinoa brings more sadness and heavy emotions onto the group. Everybody is trying to be strong and get ready to fight the final last evil. But just feel like Rinoa's rants about saying how she could die/ Squall's going to end up killing me. Just brings down the group a little bit.

- She's way too open about her feelings and HER emotions. What about Irvine's sadness, what about Zell or Seifer or even Quistis's feelings ? Selphie's ?

If you feel like you agree/ disagree on this please speak up/ share your views :3
[ Especially you Rinoa lovers/ Haters out there ]

Just feel like Rinoa was a major stepdown from the strong and mighty Tifa we saw and witnessed kicking Shrina/ Sephiroth butt in VII.
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I agree with all of that, though in my opinion, Rinoa is the most realistic final fantasy lead girl or girl in the series, shes most like a real woman because of all youve listed.
 
Guys please calm down, Rogue basically summed up the whole debate for us. Rinoa is the most realistic final fantasy girl out of all of them. She carries many faults like immaturity and childlike behavior, however as the game progresses, she grows. Why? because through the experiences, she learns. The beginning of the game, her actions arent the best, yet you have to see it from her perspective. Final Fantasy VIII, all the characters showed their faults, today many teens behave that way. Each character grows and learns from their faults, coming together in the end to face against the final antagonist. So this game is the most realistic, hence Rinoa is a normal teenager. She is 17 years old in the game, can you not expect her to behave that way? I can't. Rinoa is one of the best female leads since her realistic and down to earth nature. There are no standard set rules for a female lead. A female lead means she is the main female in the game and that the lead has a certain spot in that game for a reason. They made Rinoa the way she is for a reason. Everyone has their own opinions which is understandable, but basically, Rinoa is a normal teenage girl.
 
Rinoa is a very realistic character, it's true. Her faults are ones that we could imagine a girl of her age having, as are her good qualities. Some people just can't stand girls that are her age. Personally, I don't mind them, but that could be because I'm around that age myself, I don't know.

However, I think a lot of the points made in the first post aren't all that true. And some of them don't make any sense at all, but I've posted about that before, so I won't repeat it here. Anyway, the point is that she might whine and be a bit of a hypocrite but so are we all.

Personally I find her a much better character a certain FF female character who owns a bar and has a daughter. But I guess that just goes to show that any character is going to have people who absolutely hate her for little reason and people who love her for little reason. And when they meet, there's going to be trouble.

I don't have a problem with people disliking Rinoa, but I personally love her for all her flaws just like I love FF8 for all of its.
 
Tidus has a lot of realistic issues too. His whole thing with his father is something we can understand.

Doesn't mean he, or Rinoa, are any less retarded and annoying.

Each character grows and learns from their faults, coming together in the end to face against the final antagonist
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You're thinking of Final Fantasy IX.

In FFVIII, Quistis, Zell, Irvine and Selphie are static and undergo no development at all post Disk 2.
 
FF 9 didn't have all that much character development itself. And it's a moot point in terms of realism because some people don't change. That's one thing I find very annoying about games and books in general, it seems everybody has to learn a lesson. In real life, sometimes people don't learn lessons at all.

FF9's characters, to me, rather flat. They were archetypes without any really though. And they stayed in side of those Archetypes for most the games. FF8 tossed those archetypes out and acutually had original characters that didn't fit into White Mage or Thieve. That's what I liked about it.
 
Everyone let's please try not to derail the thread from the original topic. Let's keep the discussion to whether or not you feel that Rinoa is a good character and why. Thanks. :)
 
I just want to point out Character Classes like White Mage have nothing to do with Character Archetypes... Character Archetypes would be the Brooding Social Reject Hero. That Archetype is fit by both Cloud, Squall, Vincent... Many characters iN FF and outside FF.

So FFVIII is not original in the least with its static characters.

On the topic of Rinoa, as I already said, realistic doesn't mean good. Rinoa being more realistic than say Yuna doesn't somehow make Rinoa a better character. it just means that girls in real life don't have to spend their lives preparing to sacrifice themselves to stop evil whales because a religion told them to.
 
I liked Rinoa's character. She didn't bother me as much as she did other people. And I liked her weapon and her attack was nice.

However, I didn't like how we had to save her so many times. I mean, every other mission in the third disk was rescue Rinoa. It was annoying and it made her look very weak. And the most ridiculous one was when she was halfway inside of Adel... And the most annoying was when she was hanging off the side of the cliff on the garden and everyone kept bothering Squall to go save her. Squall had it right when he said "Well there are a lot of people in danger."

So I liked her, but not rescuing her every five minutes.

And I'd have to disagree that IX's characters were flat... but that's another thread =P
 
rinoa wasborn on the 3rd of march which she has the potential tobe a real BITCH!!]when she wants tobe, impulsive
irrational, confronting and annoying is how someone like that can be plus she never had the training of the seed members she knew so she tended tobe led by her emotions
 
I liked her,she was the average teenage girl type wich didnt bother me over much because it was acted out well. While like another said she required much to much saving ,wich in itself fills the teenage girl fantasy of being saved prmise, it was almost every mission "Save Rinoa"! but I enjoyed it none the less.
 
I have to say I liked Rinoa more then any other final fantasy female lead character, though rescuing her was troublesome at times. In reaction to the first post I don't think that Rinoa and Seifer were in any form of relationship that had meaning. Personally it seemed more like gratitude because Seifer introduced her to the headmaster. Also what do her being open and other characters feelings have to do with Rinoa being a good or bad character?
 
Drachnon said:
I have to say I liked Rinoa more then any other final fantasy female lead character, though rescuing her was troublesome at times. In reaction to the first post I don't think that Rinoa and Seifer were in any form of relationship that had meaning. Personally it seemed more like gratitude because Seifer introduced her to the headmaster. Also what do her being open and other characters feelings have to do with Rinoa being a good or bad character?
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I think they just mean Rinoa, in contrast to other female leads, is a bit more immature and childish. Heroines introduced before (Tifa, Terra, etc.) displayed strong personalities. They were still fragile (on the inside), but not so much that they ended up getting portrayed as kiddy, which I'm assuming is what some people are annoyed with. Honestly, I'm not Rinoa's biggest fan either (I posted my opinion of her somewhere in here already), but I won't say anymore. I'm just guessing that Rinoa, because of her more outspoken nature, seemed to pale in comparison in the eyes of fans to the heroines before her.
 
Oh God, I thought Rinoa was horrible. With whining, clinging, worrying, geez.
I really agree on all those points stated in the first posts. She just had some messed up moments like mentioned before during the parade. Just that she ran out her house to show she could handle everything and some seconds later she's caught into trouble. I really hate characters that have to be rescued all the time. I want a female character lead to be strong and independent and not someone who....is like Rinoa!
If I was Squall I would have let her fall when she hung on that edge >.<
So... Rinoa failed in my eyes.
 
"..when we go into battle..everyone's tempo seems to pick up and i get left behind"
that pretty much sums rinoa up right there i think, she's pretty much the damsel in distress trying to fight but she's no soldier, just a poor lil rich girl, like sneaking out to try and take on edea (i agree really annoying scene, its like, OH NO quistis an zell etc are trapped! ahhhh dam rinoa!)

then she gets posessed yada yada, never blossoms into a heroine i agree. I think to kick the game up to an even higher level, all it really needed was an emotional scene where the whole party gets hurt (either by edea or ultimecia) then rinoa gets up an sends out a magic blast throwing them against the wall, allowing everyone to get up, then it would be written in stone that rinoa had become a fighter.
 
great post well i am total agree with you well if depend on the people they never care about themselves.
 
As a character, I don't like Rinoa too much. She has some serious character flaws! Self-obsession, over flirtation...ugh. *Shudders*

That being said, I think she's the right fit for Squall. Her personality was just right to bring him out of his shell and make him a better person. So while I may not like her, I think that she plays the female lead to Squall's male lead quite well.

As for the "damsel in distress"...I liked it. They really couldn't put a strong, independant female lead because then Squall would have no one to save, look out for and...no storyline.
 
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