Playstation Uncharted III: Drake's Deception Thread

[Rey]

Spoiler: Err...

It's all well and good telling me that such and such is "obvious". I'm glad someone was that analytical about the smallest of little details as they were playing. However, the featured tarot cards are only cleverly subtle little bits of symbolisms, perhaps vague hints at best, and not "facts" as you call them. How many of us at that point have suddenly and factually inferred that "ooh! Those cards! That instantly tells me that Talbot was wearing bulletproof stuff there!"

Spoiler: right...

It doesn't mean they're the same person, and lol at the thought of you spending several minutes gazing thoughtfully at the dead man's rotting carcass. There are only so many character models you can make for the countless grunts and agents in this game, so some are bound to be similar.

They are not the same person because that would make zero sense, unless there's been some time bending going on. It's simply the usage of a similar character model for both agents and Naughty Dog badly handling this as a foreshadowing device. Or it was deliberate and that they were intent on just trolling us.

Spoiler: Well...

The Tarot cards are indeed a significant part of the plot, imo. You know that The organization will not only rely on guns to win. It is implied that they get some special training, and bring fear, ruin, or despair to their enemies. Charlie got pretty ruined. Drugged, almost burned to death and broke his leg, and shot a guy with a bulletproof vest. That is pretty bad luck, but remember that it was just not supposed to kill him. Well, it would have, if he did not break his leg and stayed in the fire. Hah, if you did not know beforehand, of course you went "what the fuck" at Talbot getting shot! So did I at first. I realized there was no valuable explanation for this by just guessing. The facts are there, even if you think they are little. They truly correspond with the whole shadow terrorist thing.

Spoiler: Uhhh

You may want to quit laughing, and actually do some exploring yourself. Why laugh at me? I was just so interested Livi, I am fairly certain it is not a "same agent" design as the others. Obviously it is just ND trolling us. It was just deliberate, and yes they are trolling us. Not much is known about dead agent, though. It is hard to understand a little.

 

[Gingerbread Lesbian]

Spoiler: On Chloe

I think she was deliberately intended not to be like she was Uncharted 2, you can see throughout the game that the three major characters in the previous two titles: Elena, Chloe and Sully are getting tired of the escapades. Drake is the only character, as I've previously mentioned in my own theory, waaay back, that doesn't realise this until towards the end of the game and then he himself adopts are more serious approach, especially that in the last cutscene. Chloe doesn't play a major role in Uncharted 3 simply because she's not a main character in the game. It was better the have her in there to show that she as well is getting tired of Drake's 'adventures' then to have a completely new character so she plays an important part in the more serious theme of the game, but not enough to warrant the role of a main character.

On a different note, to be fair to Chloe on the whole 'Drake walked out on her' he also walked out on Elena after Uncharted 2.

Spoiler: On Talbot

Spoiler: On Dead Agent

 

[Rey]

Spoiler: On Chloe

I think she was deliberately intended not to be like she was Uncharted 2, you can see throughout the game that the three major characters in the previous two titles: Elena, Chloe and Sully are getting tired of the escapades. Drake is the only character, as I've previously mentioned in my own theory, waaay back, that doesn't realise this until towards the end of the game and then he himself adopts are more serious approach, especially that in the last cutscene. Chloe doesn't play a major role in Uncharted 3 simply because she's not a main character in the game. It was better the have her in there to show that she as well is getting tired of Drake's 'adventures' then to have a completely new character so she plays an important part in the more serious theme of the game, but not enough to warrant the role of a main character.

On a different note, to be fair to Chloe on the whole 'Drake walked out on her' he also walked out on Elena after Uncharted 2.

Spoiler: On Talbot

Spoiler: On Dead Agent

Spoiler: He did

He only walked out on her because he is totally obsessed with adventure. If you ask me, it was not a real ditching like he did with Chloe. In the end, that all changed.

Yep it took me awhile to figure it all out, but looks like Amy Hennig said exactly what I said, once I put it all together. I knew once all the pieces are all put together that it was just what I predicted. Since it is now confirmed, I feel happy about it.

Spoiler: More spoilers

Exactly what I meant, dead agent and Harris appear as the SAME dead body, which automatically tells you he was mauled by the spiders. Exploring is good for you

 

[moogling]

Yep it took me awhile to figure it all out, but looks like Amy Hennig said exactly what I said, once I put it all together. I knew once all the pieces are all put together that it was just what I predicted. Since it is now confirmed, I feel happy about it.

you are so smrt

Why do you think Drake walked out on her?

hmmm... last time i played uncharted 2, most of the game was nate following her and trying to save her. and at the end of uncharted 2, chloe realizes that he really loves elena and SHE decides that she should step out. that's saying a lot about her character. not nate 'ditching' her. if you're too silly to understand that then maybe you should go play mario or something.

also ah yeds mhm aha, it is very nice to have amy confirm all of that. i feel happy about this. i am not as smart as mlfy and i don't sit around staring at dead bodies analyzing the plot, but you know, i am so glad she has blessed us with this information

 

[Ethics]

This entire thread is degenerating.

Perhaps we need a few new threads: Bony Face vs Slanty: LTD, How I Once Survived a Shot to the Nancy Boy Vest and The Dead Agent: How Einstein was wrong.

 

[Rey]

you are so smrt

hmmm... last time i played uncharted 2, most of the game was nate following her and trying to save her. and at the end of uncharted 2, chloe realizes that he really loves elena and SHE decides that she should step out. that's saying a lot about her character. not nate 'ditching' her. if you're too silly to understand that then maybe you should go play mario or something.

also ah yeds mhm aha, it is very nice to have amy confirm all of that. i feel happy about this. i am not as smart as mlfy and i don't sit around staring at dead bodies analyzing the plot, but you know, i am so glad she has blessed us with this information

Aww Ariana, always getting mad are we? You are not so clever if you did not understand my point. Nate dated Chloe back then, and that is exactly where she comes as a key character in the 2nd game. Nate walked out on her. Learn to read.

I bet you could not even figure that out anyhow. :dave:

Get Six to defend you again.

 

[Ethics]

^ Nate may have very well walked out on Elena as well, given why they were no longer an item. Just saying.

 

[moogling]

you are the one who is going bonkers that chloe was even in the third game. she was. she is a character. people like her. you don't have to, but just shut the fuck up about it already.

ah yeds mhm aha he walked out on her. point you've managed to make with that: you are a moron

i didn't ask kira to do anything for me. pretty sure she just realizes how silly you are being :dave: even olivia is mocking you

uc3 is so great.

 

[Rey]

you are the one who is going bonkers that chloe was even in the third game. she was. she is a character. people like her. you don't have to, but just shut the fuck up about it already.

ah yeds mhm aha he walked out on her. point you've managed to make with that: you are a moron

i didn't ask kira to do anything for me. pretty sure she just realizes how silly you are being :dave: even olivia is mocking you

uc3 is so great.

How exactly does that mean I am a moron? You were the one who made the mistake, and I corrected you. Take a chill pill, brat. I was not being silly. It is called voicing an opinion. I take it you know what that is? Ohhhh but she just came barging in here defending you. It was so hilarious. I do not think she was mocking me at all. Ryan posted what the writer of the UC series wrote on her twitter, and my theory appears to be right.

In short, stop making silly assumptions.

 

[Ethics]

Let's reel this in a bit, please. Don't need a ridiculous discussion to turn into a flaming argument.

Undertone: This is your only warning.

 

[Linnaete]

Oh wow, I genuinely didn't know that she's the writer. In which case, I want to know what else she's worked on too, because her writings so far are pretty awesome.

Awesome work, Ryan. Really helpful stuff there, and I'm glad the remaining bits of fuzziness are cleared up.

I was not being silly. It is called voicing an opinion. I take it you know what that is? Ohhhh but she just came barging in here defending you.

...or, Kira just came in to defend something that she agrees with, i.e. her own opinion? I think that's the more likely explanation, so consider that first before you immediately decide that people are just innately against you.

 

[Six]

First of all, nice going on defending your beloved there! I wrote this ages ago, and you could have responded back then, but hmmm suspicious. Wishing her dead? Yeah, perhaps for the 3rd game, as she had a crappy role. It should have been the end for her in Uncharted 2. I do not have Chloe figured out? Okay, let me get this straight... Just because I dislike Chloe, and I think she is not needed in the third game, automatically makes me have her not "figured out?" I love your assumptions that are getting you nowhere. I know what Chloe is like, and she toned it down in the third game. Chloe was not needed for the 3rd game, in my opinion.

Get over yourself, please. It wasn't specifically aimed at you, and as far as defending my beloved goes, I'm not defending, I agree with her, there's a difference. But really, don't pick apart my post and think it's about you, you're not that special, hun. Let me state my opinion like you gave yours, it's what the thread is about.

i.e. her own opinion?

Edit: Thank you, Olivia.
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Either way.

Planning on starting a new game on the 3rd one soon. Had a lot of trouble the first time with the ending battle. It sucked Although, now that I got better, I should have no trouble sailing through it on normal.

I wish I had holidays, I'd play the shit out of it.

That green guy during the middle of the game was way off. I have no idea where to place him in the story line, or how to understand why he was there in the first place.

 

[Rey]

Get over yourself, please. It wasn't specifically aimed at you, and as far as defending my beloved goes, I'm not defending, I agree with her, there's a difference. But really, don't pick apart my post and think it's about you, you're not that special, hun. Let me state my opinion like you gave yours, it's what the thread is about.



Edit: Thank you, Olivia.
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Okay, well who are you aiming it at then? I mean, you are saying people who hate Chloe "that" much. Obviously you mean me in some way shape or form. If you are not defending her, then why did you not reply back when I wrote this ages ago? It only seemed like you came in here to defend her, imo. Again, who are you saying can not figure Chloe out? Picking up your post has done no harm whatsoever. You chose to reply or not. It kinda did look like your assumptions were way off though, just saying. As long as you explain more in the process, it makes a good topic. You agree with her that I am going too far saying Chloe should have been wiped from the 3rd game? Mkay, I think you need to put more thought into why you believe this. Like I said, if she is not a key character this time around, how exactly would she fit in with the main story after Syria? Nothing wrong with wishing Chloe was in the game more, but Elena has always been the key female figure in the games.

Spoiler: She did not

Deserve a place in the ending, due to the rich plot with Sully, Drake and Elena. It would not make sense, as she knows Drake never will want her back as a lover, but just as a cameo helper. Now that Drake and Elena are married, it is possible Chloe will not be a huge star, or just forgot about. To me, she just did not find Drake worth her time in terms of adventure, as it was only hurting everyone in the process. Obviously! When Jeff got shot in UC2, Chloe never cared, but when cutter breaks his leg, it clearly showed some development in Chloe's character in terms of caring. She will never be on Elena's level though imo.

 

[Six]

It seems that 'your' assumptions are wrong. As you may recall I'm very active in Spira, and barely in these threads. Do not throw what you think is right on me, just because you're too shallow to even see the other side, Adri. Honestly, stop replying to me in this thread because you're acting beyond childish. I have no intention on discussing this any further with you not just because I think you're too thick headed to consider someone else's opinion, but because you're acting the way you do, and just because you dislike me doesn't mean you're free to tear apart posts just because you don't like a person, get real. Who are you to tell me to put more thought in to things, when you claim "someone should be dead because they're ugly and have a boney face and no real role". Really, dude. Get over it. =/

So please, don't quote me on this anymore. If you feel like something is aimed at you, I'm sorry, my world doesn't revolve around making comments to piss people off, it's about stating my own opinion.

Most of all, I don't have to explain my post to you. If you do not understand, and only drag this out to be, well, you know, you kinda put yourself in a bad spot there, and are only making yourself look bad. I'm honestly done replying to you. Keep your assumptions to yourself, and don't drag unneeded things that bother you about me out in to threads I'm stating my opinion in, because after all, this has NOTHING to do with Uncharted.

Don't fish for reactions. Thank you very much.

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Back on topic. >.>

I remembered talked to Jeff when we were nearing the end of the game...

Spoiler

Where Sully gets shot... Well, to say the least, Jeff had a feeling a character was going to die, and the most logical thing at that point seemed Sully, because he had been talking about his age quite a lot, and going back in to the younger years was probably to get you more attached to them. I was raging when it happened.... I was about to just quit the game, 'cause I felt too annoyed to continue with them having killed off Sully...

I was really relieved to see that it was not real. It was the real "maker" of the game for me, really threw me off.

 

[Dionysos]

I got it for Christmas and have played it quite a bit while I have the chance.

I've just completed it. I'll have to backtrack this thread a lot for all your theories (if you've come up with any!) about some of the things that are still left open for theories.

I just have to say a few things.

Spoiler: spoilers about UC3

I too was fooled by Sully's death. I kept thinking "Oh, that can't be. Poor Sully. " His last words were a feeble "What?". But then it turns out that he's not really dead, but they explained it with the water being cursed so that it wasn't another lighter-in-pocket moment. I thought that whole sequence with that and the djinn was really well done.

I'd be interested to read what you guys have to think about the 'Dead Agent'. I noticed on this page a comment on it, and I remember people discussing him a while back in the SB. I'd like to backtrack through this thread and then comment on it. Other than stating that the agents had been there looking long before, as hinted by the nature of the order that was behind them, I don't have an explanation. It probably was something like that though.

As for spiders... Wow. Poor Adrosaur. I recall him stating he was scared of the creepy stuff and there were loads of them

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[Rey]

I got it for Christmas and have played it quite a bit while I have the chance.

I've just completed it. I'll have to backtrack this thread a lot for all your theories (if you've come up with any!) about some of the things that are still left open for theories.

I just have to say a few things.

Spoiler: spoilers about UC3

I too was fooled by Sully's death. I kept thinking "Oh, that can't be. Poor Sully. " His last words were a feeble "What?". But then it turns out that he's not really dead, but they explained it with the water being cursed so that it wasn't another lighter-in-pocket moment. I thought that whole sequence with that and the djinn was really well done.

I'd be interested to read what you guys have to think about the 'Dead Agent'. I noticed on this page a comment on it, and I remember people discussing him a while back in the SB. I'd like to backtrack through this thread and then comment on it. Other than stating that the agents had been there looking long before, as hinted by the nature of the order that was behind them, I don't have an explanation. It probably was something like that though.

As for spiders... Wow. Poor Adrosaur. I recall him stating he was scared of the creepy stuff and there were loads of them

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Oh, You completed it? Awesome, Dan! I am glad we can finally get back on topic now.

Spoiler: Spoilers

Dan, when Sully got shot, I knew you were going to be so sad, as you love the character very much. I was even saying to myself "Oh no Sully, please do not die, Dan has not played the game yet and he is going to be really sad about this part" Yeah, I was about to have a fit if Sully died, and I know ND would never do such a thing. If you did notice, they tried to kill him off so many times, just to scare people like us, Dan. Haha he got "shot" dead in the first game also, but it is kinda similar to the third.

Spoiler: Some more spoilers

Yeah, regarding the dead agent, It appears that like I said over a page back, or so, Harris appears as the same dead body as the dead agent in the crypt. Go take a look at his dead body and compare it to the dead agent. This appears that the conclusion is that they suffered the same death(spiders). The writer(Amy) confirmed it too, so I guess I was right. Exploring is good for you.

Spoiler: Spiders

I was not the only one who was terrified of spiders while playing. I am sure a certain Flower said she was terrified as well. Loads of spiders, which was just disgusting, considering I am terrified of spiders.

So, how did you enjoy the game, Dan? We have to get some games going with Ryan soon!

 

[Linnaete]

Yes, what the Don said. I too made a giant fuss over the spiders showing up over and over again.

Spoiler: Some more spoilers

Yeah, regarding the dead agent, It appears that like I said over a page back, or so, Harris appears as the same dead body as the dead agent in the crypt. Go take a look at his dead body and compare it to the dead agent. This appears that the conclusion is that they suffered the same death(spiders). The writer(Amy) confirmed it too, so I guess I was right. Exploring is good for you.

Spoiler

Oh Lord...

Good for you, but like I said, the rest of us never needed to examine dead bodies to come to that conclusion, once we've gotten out of that tower. Once you encounter the spiders and see what they do to Harris, it becomes clear that the dead agent from earlier is nothing more than a foreshadowing device for what's to come, i.e. he too must have been chomped by those critters.

You can explore all you want. You can stare at a virtual rotting corpse all you want. You can be as gleefully jubilant at being right all you want after the author's confirmation. But it doesn't make you some kind of analytical genius and it doesn't mean the rest of us haven't come to the same or similar conclusion either - without gawping at corpses.

 

[Ohri-Jin]

Just admit already that Adrianos was right all along I also agree with Chloe & her insignificant role. However without her ppl would complain. The only reason she was in the last game was because she is one hell of a driver..pff...

I already mentioned the spiders got tht agent and finally its been confirmed. Common sense really.

Drake always cared more about Elena than Chloe period.

 

[Dionysos]

Spoiler: Agent and spiders

What made me question it though is that Drake and Sully said that the Dead Agent corpse looked very old, as if it had been slowly decomposing over a period. What the spiders did to Harris was instant. Mind you, while I saw Harris' death I did not examine his body afterwards. I was too busy running away from the spiders!

Perhaps Drake and Sully only said that the corpse looked old because the spiders had essentially ripped and sucked all of the juices out of the body and made it look that way, rather than actually being a long dead agent. If Harris did look exactly like the Dead Agent, then that's what happened then.

 

[Rey]

Yes, what the Don said. I too made a giant fuss over the spiders showing up over and over again.

Spoiler

Oh lord...

Good for you, but like I said, the rest of us never needed to examine dead bodies to come to that conclusion, once we've gotten out of that tower. Once you encounter the spiders and see what they do to Harris, it becomes clear that the dead agent from earlier is nothing more than a foreshadowing device for what's to come, i.e. he too must have been chomped by those critters.

You can explore all you want. You can stare at a virtual rotting corpse all you want. You can be as gleefully jubilant at being right all you want after the author's confirmation. But it doesn't make you some kind of analytical genius and it doesn't mean the rest of us haven't come to the same or similar conclusion either - without gawping at corpses.

Spoiler: Stop making such a fuss about it!

Yah, duh of course he was mauled by the spiders. It is a foreshadowing device, but some people will still question why he was left there with no explanation whatsoever. When Harris dies, you can clearly see he becomes mauled just like the dead agent. That makes you as a player assume that they suffered the same fate. Now, you can not exactly put two and two together. He was just left there, and you find out the spiders are sealed, which ultimately confuses people. You HAVE to explore, in my opinion to know that it was the spiders. The foreshadowing is obvious, but some people like going at it even more, Livi. You should just accept the fact, and stop making such a fuss over it It is the SAME thing with Talbot. You do not KNOW he is wearing a bullet proof vest unless you figure the facts out yourself. In fact, everything in the game needs an explanation, unless it is said. I do not care if you are mocking me for looking at dead bodies, and I am truly sorry that I have more interest than you in the game. It is my file, and I could explore if I want to. What I found here, was what I thought was right. I never knew about Amy Hennig responding to pm's on her twitter from people. I felt it was not explained thoroughly enough for me. If you think that you are right and can put two and two together, than all the power to you. You are still wrong though, as you need to go beyond the clues. Exploring in the game helps. It makes you figure out that spiders will somehow be in the game, when you find the dead spider on Marlowe's desk. I do not care if you have a different theory, and can just put two and two together. You are surely still going to be wrong when arguing with, say a person who worked on the game. You seem like this is bugging you a lot as well. I think you should just get over it. I do not claim I am a genius at all, so that is irrelevant.

Just admit already that Adrianos was right all along I also agree with Chloe & her insignificant role. However without her ppl would complain. The only reason she was in the last game was because she is one hell of a driver..pff...

I already mentioned the spiders got tht agent and finally its been confirmed. Common sense really.

Drake always cared more about Elena than Chloe period.

Spoiler: Potential spoilers

Here is someone who understands. Stop making a fuss over this whole plot point Chloe was like never there to me at all. Her role in the 3rd game is nothing but a cameo. She annoyed me in the 2nd game. Especially when Cameraman Jeff got shot and she did not care. No, in fact she never cared about anything but her and Drake until the game started closing up.