Usama Bin Laden DEAD!

I'm amused.

Not too sure whether to believe, but honestly, I believed it. There isn't any reason to disbelieve it at the moment anyway. If they would publicly announce that, I'm supposing it's not done without much consideration. It's probably real... I think.

But whatever. His death doesn't change much, really. Will it really shake the Al Qaeda enough to completely stop their activities?

In the end, the death of this one man only changes one thing - they have one less at the top to lead.

Really. Whatever man. Whatever.
 
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The only law against it that I'm aware of, other than obscenity laws which are completely circumventable, is that it used to be illegal to televise an American soldier's coffin/body as it was returned from overseas. Possibly at all/ever, though I'm not 100% on that. But that law was changed during W's Presidency. 2003-ish I think.
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I remember that law for some reason too. Wasn't there a big deal over it being repealed? :hmmm:

I'm sure we'll see the body one way or another, rather we really want to or not. In an age with so many different types of cameras, someone's bound to get a picture, and with the internet right there, it's probably only a matter of days before it leaks everywhere.

I really don't care to see myself. I'm sure some people will be thrilled by it, and will take the streets to celebrate. But I mean honestly, other than making some people feel better, I don't think it's that big of deal in terms of ending conflict etc etc.

But I could be wrong I guess. It'd hardly be the first time.
 
I'll believe it when I see his charred corpse for myself. Nuff said.

His death, assuming they're not bullshitting this time, doesn't change anything at all anyway. It isn't going to bring people back from the dead, it isn't going to stop people from suicide bombing and rebelling, it isn't going to make people hold hands and start singing about peace and harmony. It's little more than self-gratification for the government just to say "Oh yeah, we FINALLY got him." and its too little, way too late.
 
As an American, I can say that I celebrate this day. May 1st 2011 will always be the day that American Military brought down pure evil. And for all of those who lost a loved-one in 9/11, they can finally have closure. And yeah, it's wrong to celebrate any kind of death, but this is a very special case, and with that said, I'm going to celebrate all that I can, and praise that I'm an American. Period.
 
And what difference will this make anyway? Sorry to join the pessimist camp, but he was only one Muslim extremist but who just happened to be the symbolic leader of a movement which is likely to have spread into a whole network franchise across much of the Arab world now. Sure, his death at last brings great reprieval and the satisfied feeling that he has paid for his sins and that there is strong American resolve, but the likely scenario will be that he will be martyred and the Al Qaeda will just step up their operations in angry retaliation with a new leader. There is a always a double-edged sword to such actions and while I welcome this news, this sadly will hardly do anything to make our world a safer place to be. On the contrary, there's the chance that it has done the opposite.

What also gives me pause is how Bin Laden was only 100km away from Pakistan's capital Islamabad. I don't know how long he was hiding there for, but considering that Pakistan's government vowed to hunt him down, they did not realise that their bounty was only under their noses? It certainly took a while to finally get to him I must say.
 
Yeah the death of this man doesnt change anything..it might even escalate things as Martyrs have that effect.

He was a evil man so no one will miss him, but to celebrate over it is a bit much imo..on the other hand I never lost someone in the war.
 
I think this is such a reason to celebrate. After all, he was one of those on the "most wanted" list and linked to such attacks, including 9/11. With his death, this could trigger a downfall in the terrorists backing him. He's managed to evade everyone for ten years and if the President said they have their body, I've every right to believe it. There's no such reason why he'd be lying.

Anyway, glad to hear this news. With the fall of one important key leader could come repercussions with the rest of them. It just goes to prove that justice eventually is served. My thoughts are with the families of countless victims he massacred.
 
First off, I think it's legit, the UK news networks have been going bonkers about it all morning and the first thing my mum said to me when I got out of bed wasn't 'good morning' it was 'Bin Laden's dead'.

Second off, I don't think it's going to change that much. Sure, it's given people some relief, or those who lost family/friends in 9/11 a sense that justice has been done, but the attacks won't stop. Hell, the news this morning said we're going to have to tighten our security because we're more at risks from attacks now - because the US killed their leader and celebrated it. Announcing they've killed him and sounding happy about it probably hasn't helped the US at all - they're just more likely to get attacked, apparently.
Then again, the heightened risk won't last forever.
Eh, I'm pretty indifferent, in one way, justice has been done. But I'm not going to celebrate anyone's death. He's gone now.
 
One of the most striking elements of the news was how close the fortified compound was to a Pakistani military academy. The Paskistani government will have to field some potentially politically damaging questions of how such a fortified structure larger than any building around it went supposedly unnoticed for so long.

I think the terrorism might even intensify with this news. Osama said in late 2001 that his death wouldn't matter and that "the awakening has started" and he could well be correct. Al Qaeda will almost certainly attempt to avenge Osama's death and he was seen by many across the Islamic world not only as a symbol of defiance to the west but also admired for his piety and resolve.

Regardless of his death, the fight will continue - if only because those on either side will not compromise.
 
I believe it for one.

Whats funny though is how bad people wanted this day years and years ago and now at least for me personally, I don't feel like exuberant or anything about it. Don't get me wrong, I am happy there has finally been justice...I think I just wish it had been sooner. Still, there's a bit of peace for the families and the rest of us whose blood had boiled at the thought of Osama still being alive after the events of 9/11

With him being gone though, we are just hitting the tip of the terrorism ice-berg. I'm sure there's sons or relatives of his that are more than willing to take his place and exact some sort of vengance for what has been done today. Its sad we just can't have peace.
 
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This is all very loaded in my opinion. I mean, the death of Osama Bin Laden can mean a lot of things. And as much as I hate Obama, I don't think that even he's that low to falsely report Bin Laden's death. I think it's for real. It's not the general media that's talking, its coming from the White House.

I saw this morning that there were people gathering at Ground Zero to basically give a sigh of relief to those who lost their lives at pay their respects to finally let the dead from 9/11 finally rest in peace. If I had lost any family or friends in that event, I would have done the same thing. For the sake of the friends and family of those lost, I'm happy they that they now have closure.

As far as Al-Quida goes, I don't know what to think of it. If Bin Laden was a mighty leader, then this is a severe blow to them, as they can't just replace him with some other Al-Quida higher-up. But if what he did was fairly basic, then there really isn't any difference. I honestly think he was a mastermind and that this basically demoralizes the Al-Quida network, and that they'll either disband or will rise again many years down the road. I say many years down the road because they would have to rebuild from the bottom-up again. If this does disband them, then the efforts of America have killed one of the largest terrorist groups in the world, significantly reducing terrorism around the world. Then maybe people will start to appreciate what Bush was trying to do from the get-go.

I don't know what the objectives are for the War on Terrorism, but I imagine this was a high priority one. If this was the only thing on the list, then that would mean our troops have ended the War and they can come home. Then the Middle East can relax as Americans won't be there anymore and our troops can return home to their families and celebrate. As much as I'd like for that to be the case, I think there are more objectives, so they'll still be stationed there.

For all of these reasons, I'd be lying if I said I didn't care that he's dead. But the truth of the matter is, I am happy about it. I never wish for people to die, but this was a very bad man that took the lives of many. He deserved to die. And again, there are very few people in the world who deserve to die, and he's in that small percentage.
 
When I woke up today my Mom just said "Hey! did you hear the news!" "They got Bin Laden!" I just responded to her by saying "Yes I know!". Okay for one I really agree with you Livi that it took so long to take him down/get to him. He was just hiding there? I mean ten whole years which is pretty crazy. He has been reported dead before but now it is legit.. I can tell now but if we saw his corpse like Martel said it could make everyone believe it. Well I believe it now because every news network is going crazy and reporting it everywhere. When I got up this morning I just saw on Television OSAMA BIN LADEN KILLED IN FIREFIGHT!!! Yeah... they found no whereabouts of his 2nd in command but they killed one of his sons I believe.. Hamza was it? Anyway terrorism is not going to end anytime soon but this is a milestone acheived kinda... although ten years... is a little too much. May 1st 2011 will be remembered by everybody even if a new head honcho comes up... like his 2nd in command.. if he is not dead. We can also be lucky... but if anything this triggered even more hate towards the United States. I like how Obama put it though.. he did good. Now they do have the body in custody... but I am not sure they will show it.
 
I don't know what to think about this, or if I care enough to find out. After I read this thread, (and the ridiculous name debate) I looked it up on the net, and news here, because no, I never read the news, or look at the news on the television, because the tv is never on...

However... I feel rather doubtful about this, and if that feeling is correct, it's one mess up on Obama's part. I can only imagine how the people feel that lost their loved ones and family during 9/11, so having this news brought to them must be hard and relieving at the same time, if in a few weeks we hear they were wrong, well.. =/

I think the celebrating is a bit far, that's just my opinion. It's just not a celebrating matter, thankful, yes, celebrating? No.

Edit: Also... I can understand people are happy, but they should be cautious at what Obama said, 'the usa can do anything as long as they set their minds to it, because we're determined.'

People are most likely out for revenge, =/ because not only America is determined to take someone against them down. I can only imagine what other shit this will cause. People are so stupid. :ffs:
 
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This is all very loaded in my opinion. I mean, the death of Osama Bin Laden can mean a lot of things. And as much as I hate Obama, I don't think that even he's that low to falsely report Bin Laden's death. I think it's for real. It's not the general media that's talking, its coming from the White House.

I saw this morning that there were people gathering at Ground Zero to basically give a sigh of relief to those who lost their lives at pay their respects to finally let the dead from 9/11 finally rest in peace. If I had lost any family or friends in that event, I would have done the same thing. For the sake of the friends and family of those lost, I'm happy they that they now have closure.

As far as Al-Quida goes, I don't know what to think of it. If Bin Laden was a mighty leader, then this is a severe blow to them, as they can't just replace him with some other Al-Quida higher-up. But if what he did was fairly basic, then there really isn't any difference. I honestly think he was a mastermind and that this basically demoralizes the Al-Quida network, and that they'll either disband or will rise again many years down the road. I say many years down the road because they would have to rebuild from the bottom-up again. If this does disband them, then the efforts of America have killed one of the largest terrorist groups in the world, significantly reducing terrorism around the world. Then maybe people will start to appreciate what Bush was trying to do from the get-go.

I don't know what the objectives are for the War on Terrorism, but I imagine this was a high priority one. If this was the only thing on the list, then that would mean our troops have ended the War and they can come home. Then the Middle East can relax as Americans won't be there anymore and our troops can return home to their families and celebrate. As much as I'd like for that to be the case, I think there are more objectives, so they'll still be stationed there.

For all of these reasons, I'd be lying if I said I didn't care that he's dead. But the truth of the matter is, I am happy about it. I never wish for people to die, but this was a very bad man that took the lives of many. He deserved to die. And again, there are very few people in the world who deserve to die, and he's in that small percentage.
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Nail. Head.

Dan pretty much summed up everything I feel on the matter. He didn't deserve to live, as far as I'm concerned, he gave up all his human rights when he killed them innocent people.

Unfortunately, I don't think it'll end, I can't see the troops coming back home yet, especially with this fear of them wanting revenge. And I can't exactly see the falsely accused prisoners in Guantamano being let out any time soon.

I'm hoping I'm just being a tad pessimistic and maybe Osama was the head of the body. Fingers crossed, eh?
 
Well as much as I agree he had to be removed I can't bring myself to be in any kind of celebratory mood. Granted I wasn't effected by the 9/11 attacks but celebrating someone's death will always feel too morbid to me.

What the international community needs to realise now is that how it reacts to his death will shape the backlash we'll feel in the future. His animosity for the West - particularly the US - stemmed from their military presence in the Middle East and his actions were always stated to have been in retaliation to their refusals to withdraw. Perhaps it's time to do what many of the western world have been suggesting and withdraw to let them shape their own governments rather than lose lives ironically imposing liberty on those who would not fight oppression themselves.
 
If this has any effect on anything, it's for the worse. Now al-Qaeda has a new martyr to motivate them. As for me, I'm not going to celebrate a man's death, no matter what he did.

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With his death, this could trigger a downfall in the terrorists backing him.
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No, it couldn't. He's already been replaced by al-Qaeda's second-in-command. Bin Laden was just the public face of the organization.
 
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I think the celebrating is a bit far, that's just my opinion. It's just not a celebrating matter, thankful, yes, celebrating? No.
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This. I can't say I agree with the idea of celebrating anyone's death whatever they've done. Once someone is dead, they're done. They can't do any more harm and it's certainly not going to bring back all of the people who lost their lives as a result of that person's actions. Celebrating it like it's a holiday really only breeds more hatred, imo. And as we've all seen, hatred doesn't do anyone any good.

As far as how big an effect on terrorism and more specifically al-qaeda, I doubt it will have that much of an effect. If what we're led to believe about al-qaeda is true, that they're this big organized network, well the death of one man isn't really going to affect that much. And as long as there are people who hate, there will always be people who hate enough to do horrible things to people in the name of religion, politics or whatever other beliefs they have.

I can understand people feeling some sort of relief, particularly those who lost loved ones as a result of his actions. But I think people saying they're going to celebrate this day is just a bit too morbid for my tastes. I mean, don't we condemn those who celebrate the deaths of American and British troops who have died as a result of the war? Why would we celebrate the death of someone else?

I really feel sorry for all of the innocent people who have suffered as a result of all of this but I can't really feel jubilation or celebratory at anyone's death. =/
 
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Like Mistmoor said,

Ami said:
With his death, this could trigger a downfall in the terrorists backing him.
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Highly, highly doubt it. People underestimate just how big and fuck up of a group al'Qaida is... As a group that powerful to pull the shit off they did, you think they aren't aware that Bin Laden was almost/if not most wanted? I'm pretty sure people like them have some back up plan. You don't just depend on your leader who is most wanted 'DEAD'. I'm sure Bin Laden would've made arrangements on that, IF he is dead.

Which I'm still... sceptical about. =/ I just hope whatever they plan fails, because losses are horrible, period.
 
Violence breeds violence. This televised crap makes me sick. The only jokes I can make are those like Team America. So what if we killed Osama, he was a cockroach. Get ready for the real fun now.

I understand the anger involved in it all, but to pin it all one and to feel relief from killing one person, that's very small minded. Killing anyone and televising sounds like a media stunt.

I am all for honoring the fallen for Ground Zero, but I'm not about being prideful of killing the fawk of a person like Osama. Again, violence breeds violence, and showing pride about it, will just instigate more fun for the UN.

I'm blood thirsty as the next son of a bitch, but how about instead of making this shit of a man a symbol, we bury the hatchet and be humble about it.
 
Perhaps the reason why all this fighting started was a fundamental lack of understanding and respect both sides showed for one another. Osama was a terrorist and a murderer, but he was also a man with enough bravery, conviction and resolve to stand up to two of the world's biggest superpowers for what he believed in. He'll undoubtedly become a martyr.

Iran and the Muslim Brotherhood has called on the west to withdraw from the Middle East. Seeing as capturing Bin Laden after the 9/11 attacks was why the US invaded Afghanistan, it would likely be another monumental political gaffe to remain.
 
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