Usama Bin Laden DEAD!
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Whether celebrating the death of 1 or the death of 3000, people on both sides are disgusting. People are really fucked. 
They just strive for violence/wars etc etc. Don't tell me America is "right" in whatever it's doing, War in Iraq killed 1000x the innocent people Saddam could have ever killed and what people do? They take pride in that! Really disgusting.
Now, I'm not a Muslim or anything (although called Ahmed) I'm an agnostic, when I first heard the news, I was like "yea, okay, and?". At least, they won't be annoying me with Osama's name whenever an explosion occurred somewhere, my father who is REALLY a Muslim, didn't care much either, he thought he never did anything for Islam, terrorist attacks here and there, targeting civilians just makes Islam looks worse to the world.
Sure, people who HAD someone involved in 9/11 attack should be delighted that justice has been served, but those sickos jumping and celebrating because someone is dead?
You're no different than the people you are talking about who celebrated 9/11. It's like "Yea they are wrong because THEY are doing it. It's right when ONLY WE are doing it", I don't care if he's innocent or a murder, no matter what did he do in his life you never celebrate the death of someone. However, humans have that primitive way of thinking, which makes them thinks it's right to do so.
I also don't think this will be the end to anything, you killed their leader, of course they won't be laying down waiting for you to catch them, they will start doing more and more stuff, unless the whole "Al-Qaeda" thing is a facade. Maybe they will appear in Libya, you never know!
They just strive for violence/wars etc etc. Don't tell me America is "right" in whatever it's doing, War in Iraq killed 1000x the innocent people Saddam could have ever killed and what people do? They take pride in that! Really disgusting.Now, I'm not a Muslim or anything (although called Ahmed
) I'm an agnostic, when I first heard the news, I was like "yea, okay, and?". At least, they won't be annoying me with Osama's name whenever an explosion occurred somewhere, my father who is REALLY a Muslim, didn't care much either, he thought he never did anything for Islam, terrorist attacks here and there, targeting civilians just makes Islam looks worse to the world. Sure, people who HAD someone involved in 9/11 attack should be delighted that justice has been served, but those sickos jumping and celebrating because someone is dead?
You're no different than the people you are talking about who celebrated 9/11. It's like "Yea they are wrong because THEY are doing it. It's right when ONLY WE are doing it", I don't care if he's innocent or a murder, no matter what did he do in his life you never celebrate the death of someone. However, humans have that primitive way of thinking, which makes them thinks it's right to do so.
I also don't think this will be the end to anything, you killed their leader, of course they won't be laying down waiting for you to catch them, they will start doing more and more stuff, unless the whole "Al-Qaeda" thing is a facade. Maybe they will appear in Libya, you never know!
Just a comment on this. What has al-Qaida done since 9/11? Anything? I don't remember a specific event that got any sort of press. There may have been minor events, but certainly nothing that even approaches the scale of 9/11, or even the semi-failed original WTC attack in 1993. In fact, the only press al-Qaida has truly received is when the U.S. dispatches with one of their higher-ups.
Point being, I think they're fairly well shaken up for the forseeable future. 9/11 took them years of planning, training, etc., and the end result was the last we heard of them. I don't foresee them being in a position to be able to make an attack anywhere close to that anytime soon. I could clearly be wrong, as I'm no counter-terrorism expert. But they've done nothing but hide from U.S. forces for the last 10 years. I doubt they're in any position to retaliate in any way, shape, or form for the next.... probably 20 years or so.
Who the hell is Usama??!! 
Anyway, I din't actually think he's dead and if he's really dead he would've died naturally not by the US commandos =_=
1st of all, never thought that the Americans SUCK with photoshoping!! 2nd the flight from Afghanistan to the US takes about 10 hours and the DNA test takes about 9-24 hours for confirmation, but surprisingly...the US did all of that in 11 hours.
So I actually thinks this is bullshit, hope it's true but it's all lies -.-"
Anyway, I din't actually think he's dead and if he's really dead he would've died naturally not by the US commandos =_=
1st of all, never thought that the Americans SUCK with photoshoping!! 2nd the flight from Afghanistan to the US takes about 10 hours and the DNA test takes about 9-24 hours for confirmation, but surprisingly...the US did all of that in 11 hours.
So I actually thinks this is bullshit, hope it's true but it's all lies -.-"
Being American I have some respect for our president...but I'll tell you I don't agree with everything that he does.
Really, with the gas prices being what they are, the fact that we still have troops over there in Afganistan, and the unemployment rate STILL being what it is (just a few bones that I have to pick with him, off of the top of my head)...he is probably looking for any points he can get at this point...which is going to make this thing look real ugly if it turns out to be a hoax like I'm just now reading it might be.
Re-election next year is going to be hard times for him at the rate he's currently going.
That's a fake picture people. White house never officially gave out a photo yet. It'll be pretty sad if this turns into something like "Obama birth certificate." They'll give out a photo, then Trump'll be like "I want a long-form photograph of his entire body." :/
Why do people theory craft such silly ideas? But I do enjoy conspiracy theories as entertainment. It's just sad when people start taking 'em at face value.
Why do people theory craft such silly ideas? But I do enjoy conspiracy theories as entertainment. It's just sad when people start taking 'em at face value.
@Kei:
Second, the war in Iraq so far, for cilivian (innocent) death is just about 110,000 (unless you want to count the terrorist and Iraqi soldier-whatcha-mah-calls its who fought against the army into this. But I won't because you clearly said "innocents in Iraq".). This is, of course, according to leaked documents and that of already known documents.
The death toll (for innocent causalities) in Iraq will NEVER (unless this war becomes even more dirty than it is now, or we just start bombing or every soldier just goes about shooting people :/) amount to the people Ṣaddām or Usāmah (or the daily terrorist attacks) has killed over the years. And remember, Usāmah and Saddam had been killing since they were about 13. So...
Lastly, I wouldn't say they are the same because that would just be wrong. Usāmah is a mass (mass) murderer who even killed people of the same religion and trusted allies, every day of his life for the simplest of things he thought was justifiable by death. They aren't really celebrating the death of Usāmah, but that his death means he cannot possibly do it again (to America or to any other country) or influence anymore peoples into terrorist activities for their religion or some other hate crime.
You compared them celebrating the death of a massive terrorist to that of people who celebrated the death of innocents because of terrorism. Sounds mighty strange to me. :/
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Last lastly,
When you attack American and kill someone's family, you are attacking every single American and their families. When they attacked the Towers and killed others, they attacked me and my family and my nation. When they attacked the Towers, they attacked all of America.
Others celebrate because we are a Nation of One, not of separated different peoples of though, religion, color etc but people of America! United!
I honestly hope you do not mean we, America, have killed more (civilians) than Ṣaddām as in "Ṣaddām Ḥusayn". Why? Because Ṣaddām, from what I have read and read, killed about 2 million people; Americans, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Shīʻatu ʻAlī, Muslims (and more).
Second, the war in Iraq so far, for cilivian (innocent) death is just about 110,000 (unless you want to count the terrorist and Iraqi soldier-whatcha-mah-calls its who fought against the army into this. But I won't because you clearly said "innocents in Iraq".). This is, of course, according to leaked documents and that of already known documents.
The death toll (for innocent causalities) in Iraq will NEVER (unless this war becomes even more dirty than it is now, or we just start bombing or every soldier just goes about shooting people :/) amount to the people Ṣaddām or Usāmah (or the daily terrorist attacks) has killed over the years. And remember, Usāmah and Saddam had been killing since they were about 13. So...
Lastly, I wouldn't say they are the same because that would just be wrong. Usāmah is a mass (mass) murderer who even killed people of the same religion and trusted allies, every day of his life for the simplest of things he thought was justifiable by death. They aren't really celebrating the death of Usāmah, but that his death means he cannot possibly do it again (to America or to any other country) or influence anymore peoples into terrorist activities for their religion or some other hate crime.
You compared them celebrating the death of a massive terrorist to that of people who celebrated the death of innocents because of terrorism. Sounds mighty strange to me. :/
EDIT:
Last lastly,
When you attack American and kill someone's family, you are attacking every single American and their families. When they attacked the Towers and killed others, they attacked me and my family and my nation. When they attacked the Towers, they attacked all of America.
Others celebrate because we are a Nation of One, not of separated different peoples of though, religion, color etc but people of America! United!
Worse things could happen.
Honestly I wish people would question more things. So much is taken on face value today just because someone in power tells you it that it makes me sad. No one has the spirit to question things anymore. No one wants to protest anymore.
I mean some people take it too far, if I read one more thing about the Illuminati, I'll go crazy, but I hardly see the problem with questioning something that is HIGHLY suspicious.
October 2002 Bali bombings - 202 killed and 240 injured
November 2003 Istanbul attacks - 57 dead 700 injured
February 2004 SuperFerry 14 bombing - 116 people dead
March 11, 2004 Madrid train bombings -
May 2004 Khobar massacre
July 7, 2005 London transport bombings - 56 dead 700 injured
July 23, 2005 Sharm el-Sheikh attacks -
November 9, 2005 Amman hotel bombing - 60 people dead hundreds wounded
11 July 2006 Mumbai train bombings - 209 lost lives and 700 injured
April 2007 Algiers bombings - claimed 33 people
February 2008 Kandahar bombing
June 2, 2008 Danish-embassy bombing - 6 killed
June 2009 Little Rock recruiting office shooting - one killed
December 2009 Northwest Airlines Flight 253
October 2010 cargo plane bomb plot
(plus the countless dozens upon dozens of people killed in Iraq by this same group)
That's 993 lost lives. That's a lot of lost lives, wouldn't you agree? If you don't remember those, that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
We can never expect any less than danger and murder from such a group as Al Qaeda.
I personally think that is rather shallow. Even if the planning of 9/11 took them years, it was devastating enough. How long it takes shouldn't matter, the safety of people should.
As I said, you shouldn't underestimate someone just because their leader has been killed, just like any other organization they probably have back up plans, Al-Qaida isn't something that should be taken lightly just because they failed an attempt, 'just' because 9/11 took them years of planning and training or 'just' because Osama is 'supposedly' dead.
And counting on the fact that it 'probably won't be 20 years or so' from now, is being rather optimistic, I think. With all due respect, of course you might be right, but I just wouldn't turn a blind eye to the fact that they might have a whole plan mapped out, for 'WHEN' this would happen. =/
Just my opinion.
And on that note...
Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not praising America for this either. Congratulations weirdos, you just did the same thing Al-Qaida did, but to a 'bad' person, that doesn't make you any better. I understand these two are at war, but really? So Osama was hated for what he did, because he took the life of innocents away, but America was determined to take his, and that is right why? Because he was a bad person? =/ Yes, he definitely was, but you can't say he was wrong, if you're killing as well.
This is my point. We are celebrating the death of ONE person as though it's the death of terrorism. It isn't. Far from it, it might actually encourage it. And it seems like it's being presented that way by the media. We're celebrating a victory that hasn't even happened.
It's like this was all a chess game, and we took the Queen, but the game is far from over because they still have pawns that can get promoted.
We weren't "determined" to take his life. The soldiers had offered him chances to surrender himself all the way to his death. But instead, he took his wife and used her as a shield just so he could live to kill others.
Of course terrorism isn't going to stop. The people of America aren't dumb. They are celebrating the possibility that this horrid man's death will decrease terrorist activity. They know it won't stop and that's its far from over, but his death (though a capture would have been better) brings a hope to America and others that HE won't personally be giving orders out to kill Hindus, Americans, Jews etc etc the way he has been doing since he was a young man.
As I said before: You compare them celebrating the death of (which I stated above this that they aren't doing as you think) a massive terrorist to that of people who celebrated the death of innocents because of terrorism. Sounds mighty strange to me. :/
'Death' shouldn't be celebrated, period. Whether you're from 'the bad side' or 'the good side', it's just sickening people celebrate it.
It comes over like the people celebrating in America are thinking it's all over because of one man. Of course, you and I don't know the actual meaning of all of them celebrating, but it comes over this way from the media. And THAT exactly, is stupid.
Tbh, I just hope one day this all becomes less and less, but I'm not praising anyone for deaths. Good for those who lost their lives on 9/11, but.. Like Tyler has said, 'Violence breeds violence.' and I stand by that. You aren't gonna solve anything by doing the same thing they did - killing.
It comes over like the people celebrating in America are thinking it's all over because of one man. Of course, you and I don't know the actual meaning of all of them celebrating, but it comes over this way from the media. And THAT exactly, is stupid.
Tbh, I just hope one day this all becomes less and less, but I'm not praising anyone for deaths. Good for those who lost their lives on 9/11, but.. Like Tyler has said, 'Violence breeds violence.' and I stand by that. You aren't gonna solve anything by doing the same thing they did - killing.
I'd like to see proof of this.
I for one am not comparing the two at all. I'm saying that we should handle this much more maturely than we are. Taking to the streets to celebrate? Block parties? Really? Surely no one can condone that sort of action, and certainly it's not the image of America that we need to project if we want this sort of thing to stop.
I really hope you didn't mean for that to read the way it did to me.
I don't agree that he should have been killed necessarily, but if it was the only option then it had to be taken. It is right because he was a murderer. He was a coward. He was an enemy leader. In a war you kill people. And I can most certainly say he was wrong.
We didn't come and kill an innocent man. We killed someone who orchestrated an attack that killed many innocent people. To suggest that we're wrong for killing him is.....unexplainable to me. I don't agree that we should celebrate his death, but where we wrong to kill him? No way.
The world doesn't work that way. The world will never work that way. You can say that all you want. In a perfect world, no one would ever hurt someone. We don't live in a perfect world. We never will.
And to equate killing him to what happened on 9/11 is the equivalent of comparing a child hit by a car to a murder killed by lethal injection. It is nonsense.
They aren't celebrating his death like those in the Eastern world celebrated the death of innocent people on 9'11. They are celebrating the end of his reign of terror.
We stopped, though gave him chances to surrender, an extremely dangerous man and in the process, saved thousands of future victims of his slaughter and his terrorists. The terrorists ended lives of innocence out of hate led by this man.
They will never, ever, be the same and will never be able to be compared. They are completely different and comparing the two is just...weird. >.>
I agree; far more could have been done than just his death. Maybe a smoke grenade or some other form of knocking him unconscious. Being alive would have really be justice for what he's done.
If those people are celebrating the end of war, his life or anything else, they can do as they want. They aren't celebrating the death of innocents and will never be comparable to those who celebrated the death of innocents because they are happy one of the most destructive, murderous men in history, is dead.
America projects the image of safety, freedom, justice and protection. Nothing these people are doing will change it....
(Of course people should condone the end of terrorist masterminds like Usāmah. Why shouldn't they condone the end of (death, prison -- anyway) of a extremely dangerous man? That's like saying Jews shouldn't have condoned the death of Hitler! >.>)
We stopped, though gave him chances to surrender, an extremely dangerous man and in the process, saved thousands of future victims of his slaughter and his terrorists. The terrorists ended lives of innocence out of hate led by this man.
They will never, ever, be the same and will never be able to be compared. They are completely different and comparing the two is just...weird. >.>
Of what? I don't feel like talking with someone who despises America. So if that's the case, don't even bother.I'd like to see proof of this.
I for one am not comparing the two at all. I'm saying that we should handle this much more maturely than we are. Taking to the streets to celebrate? Block parties? Really? Surely no one can condone that sort of action, and certainly it's not the image of America that we need to project if we want this sort of thing to stop.
I agree; far more could have been done than just his death. Maybe a smoke grenade or some other form of knocking him unconscious. Being alive would have really be justice for what he's done.
If those people are celebrating the end of war, his life or anything else, they can do as they want. They aren't celebrating the death of innocents and will never be comparable to those who celebrated the death of innocents because they are happy one of the most destructive, murderous men in history, is dead.
America projects the image of safety, freedom, justice and protection. Nothing these people are doing will change it....
(Of course people should condone the end of terrorist masterminds like Usāmah. Why shouldn't they condone the end of (death, prison -- anyway) of a extremely dangerous man? That's like saying Jews shouldn't have condoned the death of Hitler! >.>)
I'm not saying it's wrong. I just don't think a celebration is at place.
However, with that all aside, I'm still skeptical about the whole ordeal anyway. I barely believe he's dead, yet, so... =/
However, with that all aside, I'm still skeptical about the whole ordeal anyway. I barely believe he's dead, yet, so... =/
They're celebrating his death. It doesn't matter if that's what they intend to do, it is WHAT they are doing. You can try to sugarcoat it all you want. They are celebrating his DEATH. It's not like he was brought to justice, he was killed. Whatever the reasons for that were, it doesn't change the fact that they are celebrating DEATH.
I actually saw a commercial for the news tonight with people cheering like this was some sort of football game. It made me want to be ill. To me that is devaluing the lives of all who have lost their lives in this process.
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Us taking down a mass murderer will never ever be the same as what Al-Qaeda ever did. We brought down an extremely dangerous man, that posed a threat towards us... our rights, and most importantly our family and friends.
It will never be the same as what Al Qaeda did or will ever do. The difference between us and them is that we didn't take the life of an innocent person while they simply headed off to do their morning work minding their own business.
Our SEALS got into his building, gave him the option of cooperating peacefully and he refused, used a woman as a shield, drew a gun and opened fire before our brave troops gave him two in the head.
Al Qaeda continues to attack, terrorize innocent people all across the world.
If anybody honestly believes those two situations can ever be comparable to one another... I just don't know what to tell you. They either have no comprehension of an evil man being brought down before he harmed others or they just don't care and would rather "look better" in other people's eyes all while people continued to be threatened simply for being something different.
It heavily offends me, since I have members of my family that have served. Our Soldiers did what they had to. And once again, people are complaining about their choices to take down an evil man. Guess what, THEY DID THE RIGHT THING. They stopped a armed and dangerous man from doing any other harm to anyone ever again.
We offered him alternatives, he denied them. To which, our soldiers did what they had to.
There's no other way to put it other than, I'm tired of this mickey mouse bullcrap about how we're just as bad as Osama for doing what we had to and what was RIGHT... and what was justified.
Is Superman a villain for killing an evil doer? What about Spiderman? What about ANY hero in a book, video game, movie, or comic? Those heroes, much like what our soldiers did, did what we had to in order to protect countless other lives. And damn it, no one, not other countries not religions, will ever make us feel ashamed of doing what should have happened to this soulless monster.
He was no man... He was a beast and I feel no sympathy.
Okay... first off... Wow! our soldiers are not "weirdos" for taking down the most wanted terrorist of them all. Osama Bin Laden was a murderer of not only people but of freedom and the choice to do what we want. He was a soulless, monster with not one ounce of humanity in him. He had nothing in him but evil and hatred.
Us taking down a mass murderer will never ever be the same as what Al-Qaeda ever did. We brought down an extremely dangerous man, that posed a threat towards us... our rights, and most importantly our family and friends.
It will never be the same as what Al Qaeda did or will ever do. The difference between us and them is that we didn't take the life of an innocent person while they simply headed off to do their morning work minding their own business.
Our SEALS got into his building, gave him the option of cooperating peacefully and he refused, used a woman as a shield, drew a gun and opened fire before our brave troops gave him two in the head.
Al Qaeda continues to attack, terrorize innocent people all across the world.
If anybody honestly believes those two situations can ever be comparable to one another... I just don't know what to tell you. They either have no comprehension of an evil man being brought down before he harmed others or they just don't care and would rather "look better" in other people's eyes all while people continued to be threatened simply for being something different.
It heavily offends me, since I have members of my family that have served. Our Soldiers did what they had to. And once again, people are complaining about their choices to take down an evil man. Guess what, THEY DID THE RIGHT THING. They stopped a armed and dangerous man from doing any other harm to anyone ever again.
Because he was a soulless creature from the deepest parts of hell. He lost any human rights the moment he felt he had the right to massively kill and wound thousands of innocent people all across the world solely because they were not Islamic.
We offered him alternatives, he denied them. To which, our soldiers did what they had to.
There's no other way to put it other than, I'm tired of this mickey mouse bullcrap about how we're just as bad as Osama for doing what we had to and what was RIGHT... and what was justified.
Is Superman a villain for killing an evil doer? What about Spiderman? What about ANY hero in a book, video game, movie, or comic? Those heroes, much like what our soldiers did, did what we had to in order to protect countless other lives. And damn it, no one, not other countries not religions, will ever make us feel ashamed of doing what should have happened to this soulless monster.
He was no man... He was a beast and I feel no sympathy.
You worded it better. :/
I'm not sugarcoating anything, you are demonizing the people of America who are glad this disgusting beast is dead. I'm sure there are Pakistani, Iranian, Saudis, Palestinians, Hindus and the like, are glad he is gone.
You can think of Americans just as bad Usāmah or the terrorists (and civilians!) who cheered as the Towers fell and killed thousands of innocents because Americans are cheering and celebrating an evil man's end. But the reality is that it is far from right and will remain to be wrong.
Yesterday was a day when the world's biggest criminal/terrorist died. People shouldn't be happy a life was ended. They are happy he cannot do more.
Again;
That's like saying Jews shouldn't have condoned the death of Hitler! >.>
And your demonizing me. I said none of those things that you just accused me of saying. Just because you don't agree with me does not give you the right to twist my words, or toss me in with the people who are saying what you just made it seem I was. I never suggested that we were the same as the terrorists who cheered as the Towers feel. NEVER.
But just because we aren't AS WRONG doesn't make us right. It's childish to even suggest that. We aren't right for celebrating the death of a human being in the way we are. We aren't HANDLING this the right way. We are not being admirable people. I do not look at the cheering crowds and think "Wow, there are the people I will model my behavior after", but that doesn't mean I look and go "Wow, they are as bad as terrorists."
This isn't about making it black and white. We live in a grey world. You can't just shift us into two groups.
Really? REALLY?
Did this really just get brought up? Hitler and Osama are not comparable in the least. Osama did not seize control of America, and then try to exterminate entire groups of people. It's not a comparison. America was not oppressed by Osama. We were ATTACKED by him. I don't know about you but I wasn't living in my neighbor's FUCKING ATTIC for the past 10 years.