Usama Bin Laden DEAD!

[blakstang98]

One thing I forgot to mention in my post was the fact that 9/11 united the people of America. All of a sudden, things were in perspective with being American and all the small things to bicker about had vanished. The death of Bin Laden brings back that unity to the people. This can be a positive thing for our country, if done correctly. Even though the War brought out higher separation in political opinions, which made people veer further to the left of right, this death might just be the happening that can start to get people to find some middle ground on things. This sort of improvement to our country is needed in a big way. Again, its all I hope for, but nothing is set in stone.

As for the celebration of the death, I have a mixed feeling about it. Celebrating death is never good. But on the same token, he's responsible for murdering many people. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't going to celebrate it if I lost someone close to me in one of his attacks. I never did though, so it's just the other affects that it could have that I care about.

 

[Bones]

I found this news out on facebook, with all the posts, like they were celebrating his death or something.

Now I'm probably just going to repeat what everyone else has said, but one man dying is not gonna change much if nothing at all, there will likely be someone to replace him, and a backlash is going to ensue, especially with all the media attention about it, it seems like a face rubbing to the Al - Queda if you ask me, it's just going to provoke the followers to act in revenge, like Shu said, Violence does indeed breed violence.

I don't think this is really a time to be celebrating if I'm honest, fair enough the families related to 9/11 can feel a sense of justice over what has happened, but celebrating is just going to make matters worse.

 

[Big Casino]

To be honest I think people who are celebrating his death are hypocrites at best. He's dead and people will celebrate because they're disgusting.

I agree with that, theyre defiantely hypocrites though im not sure its unjustified to celebrate...who knows. It doesnt bother me as such because 9/11 never affected me personally.

Assuming he is dead, well rather that he was killed earlier today, i dunno im quite skeptical about what the media tells us. 10 years later they finally caught up to him. Thats a long time and according to the source i read on sky news he had been living in that villa for the last 8 years. The same villa which arose suspicion 6 years ago in 2005 but nothing was done then. Why not?

Another cunt will come along soon enough to take his place, then we can focus all our hate on him, tell ourselfs killing this person is for the better good.
Obama must gain some popularity through this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5XVAugy_3I&feature=featured

That is pretty disgusting imo.

Wait til someone of importance in america dies. Celebrations on the otherside of the world will be just like this. Then therl be the outcry of morals on how dare they celebrate death etc.

All the chanting of USA USA makes me fucking cringe.

 

[Ayumi Hamasaki]

Obama must gain some popularity through this.

Which is more than likely the reason such a big deal was made about this. Terrorism is very good for ratings. I mean 9/11 happened and Bush's support went through the roof. This is no doubt going to be his "legacy" since he came through on so few of the promises he made during the campaign. He's supporters will no doubt praise this as a large victory over terrorism. Though I fail to see how killing one person constitutes a HUGE victory.

Celebrating death is never a good thing in my opinion. It doesn't matter what the circumstances were/are. He's dead now, that doesn't avenge 9/11 or the change the fact that it happened. It's not going to bring the people we lost back or change things that have happened since then. Sometimes, I don't understand people. He's dead, he's in hell, whatever the fuck you want to believe, but this celebration stuff is just awful. People need to think.

But of course, a majority of people will probably disagree with my views.

 

[Saints&Storms]

Obama must gain some popularity through this.

I can't fathom why; since this was only possible through Bush's Guantanamo interrogations and the CIA/which Obama wanted to cease AND whom Obama did not thank for this victory -- Obama has disrespected our country and our nation by forgetting to thank the CIA accordingly and taking all credit on this.

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Comparing Muslims celebrating when thousands died to one horrible man finally gets his just deserts; is beyond silly in my opinion. Although I personally would not celebrate anyone's death -- these are people who lost family/friends in the 9/11 attacks and watched them go down live as children.

Its a victory; Justice finally was served to a hideous excuse for a "human being" -- would you be equally disgusted had you seen people cheer the death of Hitler? (while yes I understand the magnitude of difference)

So yeah, when the good guys had to sift through wreckage after helplessly watching the towers go down with people still inside and jumping from the windows, preferring to fall stories down to death on impact, when those people had to wait 10 years to be avenged, while families still suffer from what happened on that day whether from a lost family member or from the mesothelioma they got from going in and saving those who may have survived; so if people want to cheer when the good guys finally get one -- yeah, they are going to do it shamelessly.

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Osama was a symbol of everything bad in this world, corruption not only of moral but as most of you would argue; religion as well. This is a man who led not only countless deaths and inspired many more radicals urging on not only stereotypes but prejudice against Muslims too. Perhaps with him gone Radicals will decrease.

But when he led those terror attacks he was no longer human he was a beast void of natural human regret and emotion; he lacked to treat people as humans so he won't be treated as such.

However I won't lose my humanity for such a beast, and as a human I naturally have remorse for death whether a bad guy or a good guy; I don't however wish it may have ended differently only that Osama could have or would have gained humanity in time to right his wrongs and attempt to redeem his own humanity in time. But he didn't try and he didn't want to; so I won't waste another emotion on the subject of Osama bin Laden and what he deserved or didn't deserve, only those he hurt.

Ans on the subject of his morals and humanity or what he deserved, I think what he did in his last moments speaks volumes; he didn't seek forgiveness in the face of death but grabbed a woman and used her as a shield before himself. He lived selfishly and died selfishly and we are expected to give him second thought and feeling?

 

[The Witch]

(First of all, 9-11 didn't unite us in the way you all believe. Before 911 we were proud to be Americans. We would chant how proud we were at anything we went to(football games, small things, ect) since 9-11 people's patriotism has fallen(and imo come to a stop) it takes the death of a murderer to finally get people chanting in the streets, singing with joy, waving OUR flag proudly. 9-11, in my honest opinion, broke American citizens up. We were united for a while, but the divide it sparked between us was greater. My god, look at Fox news being attacked by almost every news station there is. Or look at the once hilarious John Stewart... we were united for a short while, but in the long run, everything after 911 has undeniably divided us)


And now, after 10 years, thousands of Soldiers dead, 3000 innocent people murdered... we've got the guy that was to blame for it all. Being a Christian, I don't feel right cheering about his death(I don't feel right about anyone's death no matter if they deserve it) so I won't cheer for his death. But I feel damn proud as an American to be able to finally say that the man that scarred this nation won't be able to ever do it again.

On a second note, this is to everyone in this thread saying our cheering is disgusting. First of all, those show of cheers from Americans(who saw 911) have every right to cheer over this. Don't, for one damn second, let yourself believe those very same Americans wouldn't be out there cheering if we brought Osama Bin laden back alive... because, we would. We'd cheer just as hard and feel just as justified. All that matters is that he won't ever hurt anyone innocent again.

Stop making it out like we're cheering cuz a muslim was killed. We're cheering because we can finally say... he can't kill anyone ever again. He was a disgusting, dangerous man that took so many innocent lives and now he can never do it again. That's what we're celebrating.

So, go ahead. All you people in other countries can go ahead and call us disgusting or hypocrites. We, as a nation, have the right to cheer when our Country and its US forces bring down the most wanted terrorist in the world.

And on my leaving mark, I'll say this. Shame on every single one of you who compared Americans cheering over this to that of Muslim radicals who cheered for the 3000 innocent people killed on September 11th 2001. They're so far from being the same thing it's disgusting me to see so many people compare the two.

Osama killed innocent people. He was a threat to us and everyone else who went against his beliefs. So we cheer when he's brought down--alive or dead.

But, what exactly did the 3000 innocent people do to deserve the cheering of their deaths from the Muslims?

Don't, just don't ever compare the two.

Besides, Obama's acting like we should be proud... so let's follow our president. If he's happy over this victory, we all should be.

 

[Toshiya]

Thing is, Cali, it's not like you've wiped out the entire organisation.
I'm not saying he shouldn't have died - far from it. He had it coming, but I'm not going to celebrate it. Sure, I probably don't feel as strongly about it as you do - since I'm not American, and it didn't affect me on the day.
BUT Al Qaeda aren't going to stop existing just because Osama is dead. There'll be someone to take over and any terrorist attacks they've planned won't stop. Like I mentioned before, if anything, we (and the US) are more susceptible to attack because they'll want revenge.
He's a martyr as well. His followers will love him more now than they did.

So yeah, he had it coming, I can't say I'm sorry he's dead. But, I won't celebrate his death, and the death of one man - who was, in truth, little more than a figurehead - is not going to stop any threat of terrorism.

 

[Merung]

Perhaps with him gone Radicals will decrease.

This has no basis in reality. Bin Laden's death will do nothing but make him a martyr for the terrorists' cause. They're going to want revenge, which results in more bloodshed.

I guess you could call it a symbolic victory, but in the end it won't amount to anything good.

 

[The Witch]

Thing is, Cali, it's not like you've wiped out the entire organisation.
I'm not saying he shouldn't have died - far from it. He had it coming, but I'm not going to celebrate it. Sure, I probably don't feel as strongly about it as you do - since I'm not American, and it didn't affect me on the day.
BUT Al Qaeda aren't going to stop existing just because Osama is dead. There'll be someone to take over and any terrorist attacks they've planned won't stop. Like I mentioned before, if anything, we (and the US) are more susceptible to attack because they'll want revenge.
He's a martyr as well. His followers will love him more now than they did.

So yeah, he had it coming, I can't say I'm sorry he's dead. But, I won't celebrate his death, and the death of one man - who was, in truth, little more than a figurehead - is not going to stop any threat of terrorism.

And I completely understand that. We might not have been able to get all of Al qaeda but for now, we got the justification for those innocent lives that were lost forever. For that, we cheer.

I feel happy this main threat not only to America but to everyone is taken care of(wish he was alive but whatever), but like you brought up. He's a martyr now. And he's a flame they will follow till the end of their lives. That, is something that will be problematic.

I, and other Americans, don't think just because he's gone that means terror attacks are never going to happen again. We know this doesn't mean it'll never happen again. But seeing this man who took so many lives be brought to justice--sparks a feeling in the people that were involved that they just can't console.

We shouldn't ever cheer for the death of a person, no matter how evil. But we shouldn't act like something major didn't just happen. And for American history, this is something major. We got to see an evil man who haunted our nation be taken down.

 

[Ayumi Hamasaki]

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So, go ahead. All you people in other countries can go ahead and call us disgusting or hypocrites. We, as a nation, have the right to cheer when our Country and its US forces bring down the most wanted terrorist in the world.

And on my leaving mark, I'll say this. Shame on every single one of you who compared Americans cheering over this to that of Muslim radicals who cheered for the 3000 innocent people killed on September 11th 2001. They're so far from being the same thing it's disgusting me to see so many people compare the two.

Osama killed innocent people. He was a threat to us and everyone else who went against his beliefs. So we cheer when he's brought down--alive or dead.

But, what exactly did the 3000 innocent people do to deserve the cheering of their deaths from the Muslims?

Don't, just don't ever compare the two.

Besides, Obama's acting like we should be proud... so let's follow our president. If he's happy over this victory, we all should be.

One, I live in the US. Hell, I live in the same state as you, and I don't feel the same way you do. Making this a "All you people in other countries don't understand" sort of thing is the wrong way to handle this situation. It does seem to be the American (i.e OUR) way of doing things though.

9/11 was horrible. There's no denying it. I'll remember that day for the rest of my life. I remember watching it on the news when I was 9 in the school library. Don't try to make this a thing where if we disagree with celebrating we're condoning what happened that day. Because it's not. I would never condone that.

We, as a nation, need to start thinking about how we look to other nations. America doesn't have good public image these days. This isn't going to help it. I'm not patriotic. I don't support our country blindly no matter what it does. I'm not very happy with our government at the moment. This is just a stupid excuse, a distraction from how bad they are FUCKING things up.

It's a look at my left hand, so you don't see what the right hand is doing.

It makes me sick that this is what our country needs to come together. We can't do anything while our government is running itself into the ground, but you kill one man and we take to the streets. To do what? To cheer on a government that has done nothing to deserve it. Obama didn't kill Osama. The military did.

No one is denying that 9/11 was a horrible event. We're saying that killing one man doesn't avenge the 3000 who lost their lives. We're saying that killing him isn't going to prevent it from happening again.

I'll leave you with this. If we said that cheering this on, and making it into this big celebration could very well cause another 9/11 like event, would you still agree with it? This is just the excuse they are looking for, just the image of America they need to distribute to people.

Sometimes you have to think things through. You have say "Am I happy this happened?". And I think we'd all say yes, I don't think any of us are upset that he's dead. But you also have to say "Is this the right way I should show this?". And I ask myself that question, and I have to say no. This is America, I'm celebrating the very foundation of our country, I'm celebrating my freedom.

I'm going to leave with this. If people turn this into another us against them sort of thing, like they did with the war, then I'll be very ashamed of the people who are from the same nation as me. No one is happy that 9/11 happened, excluding the people who did it. To suggest that they are is not only foolish, it's utter stupidity. And even as I say, I can already tell it's going to happen. I can see the signs.

So yes I disagree with celebrating the death, I am an American, and that is that.

And as for following the President, I don't follow him just because he won an election. I follow him when I agree with his policy and his actions. At this time, my approval of him is very very low, so that's not really a reason for me to agree with this or what he may say about it.

 

[Harlequin]

I think the US have made some fundamental political mistakes. They got what they wanted, for being accountable to US law by orchestrating attacks on US soil Osama was certainly condemnable to the death penalty - that's one aspect I fully support, but it would have been prudent to show a slice of humility, solemnity and solidarity with the victory they achieved today not only for themselves but for much of the world. Today justice was delivered, but today was also a golden chance to appease militant Islamic groups by showing those characteristics, a chance that I fear has been blown...

 

[Valvalis]

Assuming he is dead, well rather that he was killed earlier today, i dunno im quite skeptical about what the media tells us. 10 years later they finally caught up to him. Thats a long time and according to the source i read on sky news he had been living in that villa for the last 8 years. The same villa which arose suspicion 6 years ago in 2005 but nothing was done then. Why not?

I have to agree with this, the details are far too sketchy. If he is honestly dead, there's no way in hell it just happened yesterday or even this week. I would say at least a month ago, if not longer--something that would make this big of a news impact would never just be flung out into the general public without an extremely calculated approach on the part of the government. They wouldn't just say "Oh, it just happened, let's go tell everyone!", they would sit in a room and discuss at length exactly how and when to present the information to us, and what the positive and negative repercussions would be of each option. I mean let's face it, this sort of news tidbit can benefit those in power in a huge way if they play their cards right.

I'm not 100% convinced he's dead, so I'm not too worked up about it. But then it also takes a lot for me to believe anything that is presented by any news corporation or even reports which come straight from the White House. I've heard suspicions that it's being used as a ploy to help Obama get re-elected, and even though I'm not someone who rages against him I am inclined to believe such a thing is possible. Also, whenever huge political news events occur, it's a great time for Congress to try to sneak controversial bills or riders through their office, so I would look to them also at this time and just keep an eye on which controversial bills are currently pending that we all may end up hating.

Unfortunately I have to live in an area where most of the people confuse the entirety of Islam with terrorism, so at work today of course I hear people making rude comments about Muslims in general and had to facepalm And I will probably have to deal with navigating my car through huge parties on my block today. But I certainly won't be attending one. If he really is gone then at least he can't do any more damage, but I think it's a bit sick how I've heard people in the U.S. freak out over videos of Middle Eastern people chanting "death to the USA" and yet it's okay to have U.S. citizens cheering in crowds about "USA USA" today when we've killed plenty of their innocent civilians in the process of searching for him. Sorry but our humanitarian record throughout history isn't 100% squeaky-clean either.

 

[Saints&Storms]

This has no basis in reality. Bin Laden's death will do nothing but make him a martyr for the terrorists' cause. They're going to want revenge, which results in more bloodshed.

I guess you could call it a symbolic victory, but in the end it won't amount to anything good.

How so? With out the biggest terrorist leader who urged radicals on and the teachings of the radical way and ordering Fatwa's its bound to decrease and discourage most radicals and make an example that that train of that will never win.

The way I see it anything we do could get us attacked from killing Osama to drawing Muhammad in a cartoon.

Its more than symbolic. Osama has been made an example of.

 

[Ayumi Hamasaki]

Its more than symbolic. Osama has been made an example of.

An example of what exactly? Our inadequacy? It took us almost a decade to finally capture him. It's not like he did something yesterday, and we caught him. Then perhaps I could understand that line of thought.

I And I will probably have to deal with navigating my car through huge parties on my block today. But I certainly won't be attending one. If he really is gone then at least he can't do any more damage, but I think it's a bit sick how I've heard people in the U.S. freak out over videos of Middle Eastern people chanting "death to the USA" and yet it's okay to have U.S. citizens cheering in crowds about "USA USA" today when we've killed plenty of their innocent civilians in the process of searching for him. Sorry but our humanitarian record throughout history isn't 100% squeaky-clean either.

Huge parties? I'm sorry but that's just ridiculous no matter how you spin it.
It's all in the eye of the beholder though. We see that as okay because we are the ones doing it. We don't think about what the other side thinks at all.

 

[Merung]

How so? With out the biggest terrorist leader who urged radicals on and the teachings of the radical way and ordering Fatwa's its bound to decrease and discourage most radicals and make an example that that train of that will never win.

The way I see it anything we do could get us attacked from killing Osama to drawing Muhammad in a cartoon.

Its more than symbolic. Osama has been made an example of.

Osama wasn't the "biggest" terrorist leader or whatever. It's been mentioned before, but he was merely the public face of al-Qaeda; there are thousands of others just as determined as him. One person dying isn't going to discourage them and prompt them to give up their holy war, but rather encourage them to take revenge.

 

[Harlequin]

How so? With out the biggest terrorist leader who urged radicals on and the teachings of the radical way and ordering Fatwa's its bound to decrease and discourage most radicals and make an example that that train of that will never win.

The killing is abit of a double edged sword. What's good about the narrative is that no matter how high profile and dangerous you are you will be brought to justice. That aspect is invaluable to our security.

However, his killing and martyrdom will undoubtedly inspire a new generation of ambitious radicals ready to step into the void and inherit his global profile. That is the problem we're now facing.

 

[Terra Branford]

After seeing an "supposed" image of his body from the soldiers, I'm not sure whether to believe it or not. The image didn't look like him much, and it looked as if he had been beaten with something so his face was unrecognizable.

His capture would have been better justice than his death. And this definitely will not stop anything. This kind of thing will make them think Usāmah was somesort of hero. >.> He may have been the leader of terrorist attacks and made all the plans, but this will only anger the Islamic Jihadists and will cause even more bombings, beheadings etc etc.

All I see from this is a new powergrab for the Muslim Brotherhood or some other group, to take.

So you were just incorrect in forgetting the 'h' then. Sorry for being a cunt, I just couldn't help myself

Not being a cunt. But I had a post directed about it. First page, I believe

 

[Linnaete]

In the short term, you may damage al-Qaeda's morale and perhaps the morale of groups and organisations aiming for a similar goal, but in the long-term, we could have just kicked a giant hornet's nest. I just hope that we are prepared enough to face the violent backlashes that are inevitably wished upon the western world - but whether they will happen we shall see. Unfortunately ever since 2001 al-Qaeda's network have supposedly expanded significantly becoming a franchise in the middle east and I don't doubt that their ranks are now rather extensive in size. The actions of British and American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have just done little favours for us and we will continue to be hated for our presence over there even before the events of last night. I agree that Osama's death can only inspire younger Muslim extremists to accept the mantle and do minimal damage to such an extensive organisation, which is why we may as well pull out of these wars now. We are not mitigating anything by staying there and I just fear that the troops would just be exposed to continual and perhaps greater danger.

I don't doubt this was a recent occurrence either. If this was kept quiet for a length of time then goodness me, they've all done a great job of it. I may distrust governments at times but I'm not going to be that paranoid that I believe Obama's administration may be lying. If this is in any way a ploy timed just to up the President's chance of re-election, then not only is this idea just completely cynical, it doesn't hold very well as you may as well time it for when the new year of the election arrives in earnest. At the same time I'm not going to praise Obama for this when all he did was give the thumbs up and happened to be in office while this was happening.

 

[The Witch]

Okay, I will NOT post the pictures of him actually dead. But I'm beginning to think this is a hoax. The picture of his "dead" body... well, the facial expression is exactly the same as this one...

I'm serious, when you see the picture of him dead... it's literally like the same picture. But this picture that's being passed around is supposedly the official one.

I think Obama just punk'd the world.

 

[Ayumi Hamasaki]

I'm serious, when you see the picture of him dead... it's literally like the same picture. But this picture that's being passed around is supposedly the official one.

I think Obama just punk'd the world.

Called it.

So many believe that that just because two sources agree on something it must be true. It would hardly be the first time our government has done something like this. I'm sure there are times we don't even know about.

Let's hope they get caught at it, but I doubt it.