What impact did FF7 have on you the first time you played?

[Regenark]

It had a deep impact on me, and I have been playing it since I was like 7 or so. I never tire of it, and the storyline is one of the best ever. I felt it had set the standard for all RPG's alike.

 

[Atma]

Final Fantasy VI is a great game without a doubt, however in contrast to the root of it. This means including not just the storyline of the game, but also the game mechanics of how it's played and it's implementations, considering it is a game, so you would have to include this.

The "storylines" can and will always be debated, however from a game as a complete whole, VII just simply improved and did it better and on a much grander scale then VI did or any other previously. Also, VII isn't taking anything away from VI, I don't understand why you guys try to compare this notion. It's puzzling as to why VI is always compared to VII, and the idea that VI isn't getting enough limelight, or not enough grandeur.

However, let's be real here, the reason being is that VI just simply didn't make the same impact as VII did, which is the real truth behind it. As much as I love VI, it came out in 94 when 2-D gaming was at it's absolute prime, so there was no disadvantage it would have had in graphics. In fact, the mob models, the towns, look, and the camera angles with the chocobo and airship were new for the series.

It had incredible music, incredible storyline, and even it's gameplay was solid. The ratings they were giving at the time was a 93% out of 100 overall, so there was really nothing going against it. However, the simple case is this, VII was the first revolutionary Final Fantasy game, and not only that, but it came out at a perfect time, when fighting games were losing some of their flare, when home consoles were picking up tremendous steam considering they could in some ways, start to manipulate what could be played at the arcades.

When you accumulate all of thise together, with the fact that FF VII itself was a great game, it happened to be one of those perfect moments in the gaming world.

So when you look at it as a whole, VII did not take anything away from VI, it's just that VII just simply made a larger impact in the gaming world, which is why you'll have more people praising this game then VI simply did. Who remembers Street Fighter 1 here? Almost Nobody, if anybody here at that. However Street Fighter 2 is the game everyone knows and remembers, because it was the one that put Capcom on the map, much like VII did.

On another notion anyone who played something before the other and liking the original one they started happens in many other genre's as well. Younger gaming generations that I know of who played Final Fantasy X first, regard is it being the greatest, some other's even with XII. Heck in the Zelda series, although A Link To the Past wasn't my first Zelda game, it was the first one that I truly tried to play, and I feel it's the greatest out of any other Zelda game ever.

While you'll have more then 80% of the crowd saying Orcarina of Time was the best ever. So this saying can be stated for any Final Fantasy game, not just VII.

I'm obviously not talking about game mechanics. I'm referring to the deeper and more astounding roots of its kind. And who is "you guys"? I don't have a problem with neither VI nor VII. I personally think 7 sucks eggz and some people think it's the best. We are all entitled to our opinions, no matter how wild the claim is (i.e. FF7 is the best rpg out there. lol not). Personally, I believe it's the opposite way around. FF6 did a generally better job all around. It's far more dynamic than 7 will ever be. A veteran would recognize this. Again, FF6 has greater roots than most FFs out there. One that would come close to being historicaly correct would be FF4- a classic novel.

Now, let's be truthful here. We all kow FF7 got all that milking glory because it came out at an ideal time for gaming. It had nothing to do with its mediocre music or it's errored plot with grammar issues. I give it good gameplay, as most other FFs do as well. The people that will enjoy FF7 would be fans alone. I have seen people yell at others for having them play this game.

Plus, SF and FF are bad comparisons. SF1 and 2 are so different on a grand scale. FF6 and 7 are not too far apart. What I don't get is where you got this idea of me stating FF7 took anything away from FF6. I stated 7 bops off of 6 and it does. But I don't care about that. I don't care what 6 or 7 does. What I do care about is SE wasting time, effort, and money into producing these lame ass spinoffs and a movie. That is outrageous! I know the game had some qeustions left unanswered but so did other FFs. That is not a reason to milk a mediocre game.

Comparing LoZ to FF is also pointless. Unlike FF7, OoT is a great game! It IS the best in the series because it's just more epic than the rest. There are more elements in that game than the rest. FF7 is a good game at best, not the best ever. But as I've mentioned earlier, it's my personal opinion...which seems to be shared with others for some odd reason.

 

[TrueSephiros]

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This is going around in circles here, firstly, you say "veterans" what do you mean by this? People who played before FFVII should know that VI was better? Again, you say people are entitled to their opinion, however you go running off stating that "well people who are veterans know that VI>>>VII".

What? I've been playing since the late 80's, I've played all SIX FF games previous to VII, and yet I still regard as the greatest FF game out of any of them, bar none. Wouldn't that make me a veteran as well? If so, your notion above is incorrect, because not all FF vets are thinking with what you are equating too.

Also, comparing other FF stories to classic novels and VII not hitting the accord is definitely not giving VII the credit it deserves. Firstly, VII's storyline is deep, and it does have a meaning, we are given a hero who has conflicts with his himself, and that he is intentionally made weak on purpose. In the end, he is only able to succeed, through the help of all of his friends, which in comparison to previously FF games, was not delved into as deep.

They broke down the protagonist in VII more so then any other protagonist from previous FF games.

Also, you act as if other FF, especially VI did not have any storyline/character flaws, and yet it did. Ask me how someone like Tina loses the will to somehow fight, when in fact, she should have the most will to fight. You lose your foster father to the Empire, your blood parents, someone you trusted General Leo was killed by Kefka, and now he controls the very power to wipe our your "new" family, and yet you lack the will not fight? Absolutely ridiculous, and poor plot writing with Square on any given level. So yes, if you want me to break down VI's huge flaws, I could very well do it if you liked, because it seems to me, you make out that VII had huge flaws while VI didn't, when VI in fact, had just as many poorly written characters and the flow on parts of their storylines as well.

Considering if you actually played the true Final Fantasy VI japanese release, you'll have noticed that characters like Tina are even more Emo then they were portrayed within the USA release version, something I'm sure many of you don't even know.

Also explain your indication of 7 bops 6 with better integrity then if that's not what you meant. Because with that indication, it makes me feel you are saying 7 is given more limelight then 6, or that 6 isn't given enough recognition over 7, again, explain here, instead of a one paragraph notion that has almost no relevance.

Also, mediocre game? You've really got to be kidding me now, VI like previous FF games before VII were all literally straight forward in the way you played it. In fact, the story telling and writing was made to fit a younger generation (read their dialogues again), not in the case for VII, where it was trying to be geared not just towards a younger generation, but also adults as well at the time.

The way the characters speak in contrast each other are vastly different, and to not include the gameplay is a ridiculous idea, considering this isn't a book, or a novel, it at heart, is still a game no matter where they made take the ideals, philosophies, or myths from.

So to not consider the gameplay of both would be outrageous, and this is where VII truly seperated itself from previous FF games. The battle system, may have been like the other FF games, however the options, customizations, mini-games, the wide range of secrets, and the materia system was something that was completely off the wall, and has to be considered. The milking of VII is simple...it's the most popular, period. That's why it's milked, and to be honest, it's not like most of the VII spin off's were "horrible" either, the only one I didn't quite like was Dirge of Cerberus which was imo was just poorly done. However can you claim Crisis Core was "bad" in terms of gameplay and storyline? The customizations you could do in there, the game play controls and mechanics allowing for some solid strategical thinking during the game walk through? Again, explain how these are supposedly "bad".

Advent Children closed up alot of plots that were left wide open for pointless and redundent debates, such as the Sephiroth vs Jenova debates that went on for countless years.

Pre-VII's endings also gave out closure to their characters and the plot, while VII's ending gave you a "What in the world just happened". Remember here, if you actually recalled back in 1997, Square was forced by Sony to have Final Fantasy VII rushed, this is why the ending, Aeris death scene stayed the way they were, otherwise we would have ultimately of had a different ending and scenario.

So again, it makes sense to open up and seal the deal with the movie. I don't understand Anti-VII people, it's just whacked to see this notion, when the Movie actually helped to truly seal the conclusion of most of the characters within VII.

My comparison of LoZ to FF is not pointless, it was to your notion that you played VI first, thus you feel VI was the best. I said that LTP was the LoZ I truly played through first and I feel it's the best, which was in contrast to your VI statement, so I fail to see where it's pointless on this notion. Again, all I hear from you is "VII sucks eggz" or whatever, yet when you truly break it down, VII overall did great on all standards and blew VI out of the water in terms of gameplay and in-game mechanics, something that you never seemed to consider at all.

In the end, FF games are not novels, they may take pieces from novels, however so does tons of other things, and to make the notion that VII didn't have good story telling when considering the fact that compared to any FF game previously, it delved the deepest into the raw emotions of the characters, and especially the protagonist. The musical score not being good is also absurd considering "Aeris Theme", "Tifa Theme", VII's battle theme, I could go on and on. In fact, how is "Aeris Theme" supposedly mediocre?

In fact "One Winged Angel" is considered one of Nobou Uematsu's greatest master pieces ever conceived. Have you ever been to one of Uematsu's symphony's? I'll tell you this, One Winged Angel gets the loudest applause and the most recognition in all of his FF music works mind you. However I'm starting to feel your just being biased towards VI.

Again, you break any FF game down, and you'll see significant flaws in each of them, either in storyline, gameplay, and ultimately both sides. So as to where you go with your mediocrity is beyond me. VII did incredibly well, and it showed with it's release, again, VI had not disadvantages, and look and where it stood with what it did to the company in contrast to VII.

However, this thread wasn't intended to be another "VI vs VII" thread, this was to give the notion of did it make it impact to you, the first time you played it, and it's obvious it didn't make any dent into you, however for most people, it did, whether it was their first FF game or not.

 

[Bambi]

Just a quick note gaiz, lets not try to turn this into a discussion on FFVI

As you were

...Oh and play nicely

 

[FFXImmortal]

This game has had a huge influence on me and got a reaction that I never thought a game could do. When I played this game I actually felt like I was Cloud and throughout the game I grew more excited with every turn. My heart broke when a Aerith met her fate and the urge for revenge just grew lol. This game also inspired me to write story lines and reminded me how everything could be taken away before you know it. Thank you FFVII

 

[Atma]

tl;dr

Alright then. I'm going to have to finish this then. I will agree with you in one point. The point being FF1 is regarded as the best. That is not a tough one to decide since it was the starter for this series of games. And to me, a veteran would be someone who started playing FF games from the early ones (ex: 1,2,3,4). And to not confuse your statement, I mentioned FF6 beats 7 in terms of history, meaning and a metaphysical database. Everything else in 7 (like presentation, graphics, etc) is a level above 6. I'm surprised you still cannot understand what it is that I am saying. And some information for you: notions are generally not considered to be incorrect, as they are mere conceptions. Albeit, they are imperfect ones....

FF7's story was written by a kindergarten child. There's so many reasons why the game needed spinoffs to make up for its mistakes.

I don't understand where you got this insane idea. FF6 has its flaws but few of them. All games are flawed but FF6 is one I would not expect to be made by the hands of mankind. And just so you know, Terra is not a born fighter. She is peace loving. If I were put in her shoes I would do the same. Witnessing a god who can destroy the world at whim.....I would not fight against that. And Terra was using her common sense. She knew not to mess with a god who succeeded in his plans. If you are willing to go out there and fight, then I'd have to accuse you of suicide and stupidity.

I don't need a paragraph for that. You need to stop saying FF6 this for everything. I'm fighting for all the oldies not just 6. And there's nothing wrong with being emo. If Cloud was my friend, I would treat him nearly the same way I would with Terra. end of story.

I keep stating that what I say is strictly opinionated. I dift wonder how you fail to read what I write. I personally believe FF7 sucks eggz ( I played this game 5 times already and my opinion grows worse each time). It is mediocre. It's not a novel, it's not based on an entire history, and it's not significant. I happened to enjoy CC because it is better than 7. SE did a pretty solid job on this game. Again, I have nothing against FF or all the older ones (as you keep implying). I just don't like how SE had to make so many spinoffs for an underserving game. Any other old FF would have done better. I wouldn't have minded if they made just CC and made sequels for other games. That would have been cool. But no. A whack movie had to be released discussing pointless crap for fanservice. Don't give me that whole open plot bull. The movie was for fanservice only.

No I did not play VI first. I played FF1 first and that's how I began to love FF. I played every single one as I aged and found to like every FF along the way. There isn't a FF I dislike. And yes! One Winged Angel is a great song. I appreciate the song and I'm glad it was released. Sephiroth is amongst one of the greatest aspects of FF7. This theme, along with the forest theme and the weapon raid theme seem to be the best in FF7. All other songs (excluding Cosmo Canyon and few others) suck eggz.

Biased towards 6? I can say the same for you. But if you must know, FF2 is my favorite with FF4/6 following afterward. If you must see the rest, it's FF9,12,7,8,etc. FF7 is my 5th favorite FF. I'm a hard grader but 5th is good enough for me to talk about.

While I'm flattered you wrote that, I must say you were the one who started this pointless squabble. I was merely responding to the topic. You did not like what I wrote and decided to pound it into my head that 7 is a good game. If I think it's mediocre, then that's what I think. Not to be rude but you have no say in my matters. You should tend to your own business when it comes to opinions. Ohh! And if you were only writting to lure the mods on me, then congratulations. 'Cause now I have them on my back. But if you want, I don't mind PMing me so we can further discuss this. I feel there's more we can discuss.

 

[Ethereal]

Final Fantasy VII had a very deep impact on me, for a few reasons. It was the first final Fantasy I ever played, not out of hype, I'd never even heard of FF before.. I was only about 10 when I first watched my mum play it (it wasn't even my game) and I watched her play it all of the time.. with absolute intent. I loved every second - I would rush out to watch her play it, and it wasn't until her save got wiped, that me and my sister started playing the game.

It was the first RPG I ever played. And I was hooked.
It turned me into the gamer I am today.

I cried in parts of the game, laughed out loud, got angry.. it stirred emotions in me that a game never had before, at that point. For this reason, it will remain one of my favourite games of all time. <3

 

[TrueSephiros]

I will finish this actually.

Alright then. I'm going to have to finish this then. I will agree with you in one point. The point being FF1 is regarded as the best. That is not a tough one to decide since it was the starter for this series of games. And to me, a veteran would be someone who started playing FF games from the early ones (ex: 1,2,3,4). And to not confuse your statement, I mentioned FF6 beats 7 in terms of history, meaning and a metaphysical database. Everything else in 7 (like presentation, graphics, etc) is a level above 6. I'm surprised you still cannot understand what it is that I am saying. And some information for you: notions are generally not considered to be incorrect, as they are mere conceptions. Albeit, they are imperfect ones....

FF1 is not the best because it's the starter, and yes, I am a veteran FF player, so trying to say all vets think like you is incorrect. Some of your notions stated in previous post had almost no informative statements which is why I spoke out against you.

Final Fantasy VI using myths or terms is nice and all, however you are contradicting your notions again with your next statements of VII, which I will talk about later.

FF7's story was written by a kindergarten child. There's so many reasons why the game needed spinoffs to make up for its mistakes.

Maybe you didn't bother to read, but I clearly wrote it out that Square was rushed to bring Final Fantasy VII out for release as demanded by Sony. This is why it felt complete, so I'm curious as to why you still challenge to bring this up, when from a business standpoint, it was pushed by Sony. Reasons why Final Fantasy VII as a game was made and ended the way it was supposed to be. If you ever read any of the gaming magazines back during late 97, early 98 this was even indicated by Square, so it made sense to push for a movie spinoff or what not to complete the story.

Even Square in their interview's in recent time stated that ACC the movie was intended to complete VII the game's ending, and to be viewed as a whole, not seperately. Put the two together, and it makes absolute and perfect sense. This wasn't just a "fanbase" ideal thing mind you.

I don't understand where you got this insane idea. FF6 has its flaws but few of them. All games are flawed but FF6 is one I would not expect to be made by the hands of mankind. And just so you know, Terra is not a born fighter. She is peace loving. If I were put in her shoes I would do the same. Witnessing a god who can destroy the world at whim.....I would not fight against that. And Terra was using her common sense. She knew not to mess with a god who succeeded in his plans. If you are willing to go out there and fight, then I'd have to accuse you of suicide and stupidity.

What? Firstly, your interpretation would actually make sense, if Tina did not want to fight from the very beginning. However the fact that she fights all the way up through until the events of the World of Ruin, and then all of a sudden chooses to say "Well, I don't have the will to fight anymore." Kefka being a "Demi-God" had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that she didn't want to fight, because no where in the japanese nor english does she state she fears Kefka's powers. More importantly, out of all of the Final Fantasy VI characters, she has the most logical reasons to continue fighting, other then Cyan for his personal reasons (His family did get poisoned by Kefka).

You argue that "it makes" sense for her to lose her will to fight, however if anything it should will you to fight even more so, do to the fact that Tina herself has directly seen Kefka's evil hand first off more so then any of the heroes in the VI storyline. Poorly written for considerably the main protagonist of VI, yes indeed, which again is a huge flaw.

How about Kefka, as much as people here worship his character for achieving "Demi-God" status he's in the top for being a one-dimensional antagonist in terms of storyline and how the depth of his character is a deep as that of a saturday morning cartoon character. However again, when you remove yourself from the "VI was so uber good" you will see significant flaws in it's storyline base, and what's equally just as bad was the in-game mechanics themselves.

Who's idea was it for the poorly made "everyone having their own unique" skills sets allowing others to simply have useless techniques throughout their VI lifeline then others (Edgar with Tools>>>>>Almost everyone in VI besides probably Gau).

Or how about the huge glitchy flaws in VI the game with X-Zone+Vanish that literally made you walk through the first half for free which had to be fixed during the re-release of VI for the DS. Wait, there's more, we still haven't even gotten to the fact that someone like Gau can obtain Lvl 3 casting magic within the very beginning of the game, something that wasn't even intended to be there.

I could go on and on, and write to you an essay about all the fundamental flaws in VI, that again you seem to think that there is little to none visible. The fact is, if I wanted to do so, I could go from Final Fantasy I-XII and find significant and large flaws for all of them storyline and gameplay wise.

This is why I disagree with your above statement, because you look at two-three flaw points and say "Well this is terrible, therefore this game simply isn't deserving". When all FF games have landslide flaws significant for themselves.

I don't need a paragraph for that. You need to stop saying FF6 this for everything. I'm fighting for all the oldies not just 6. And there's nothing wrong with being emo. If Cloud was my friend, I would treat him nearly the same way I would with Terra. end of story.

Obviously, there is nothing wrong with being Emo, however, it's to show to you the poor direction that Square went with Tina's character in VI.

You speak like your fighting for all the oldies? However, what for? Explain? To show that they were good? That they aren't getting enough recognition (Sad truth, but most new-gen players today aren't giving to even glance or breath at the older FF games due to the fact that it's 2-D)? That they don't have enough "fanbase" to support them? It's nearly pointless and derails from the subject considering you are trying to "defend" them on a VII thread.

I keep stating that what I say is strictly opinionated. I dift wonder how you fail to read what I write. I personally believe FF7 sucks eggz ( I played this game 5 times already and my opinion grows worse each time). It is mediocre. It's not a novel, it's not based on an entire history, and it's not significant. I happened to enjoy CC because it is better than 7. SE did a pretty solid job on this game. Again, I have nothing against FF or all the older ones (as you keep implying). I just don't like how SE had to make so many spinoffs for an underserving game. Any other old FF would have done better. I wouldn't have minded if they made just CC and made sequels for other games. That would have been cool. But no. A whack movie had to be released discussing pointless crap for fanservice. Don't give me that whole open plot bull. The movie was for fanservice only.

For fanservice with the movie, it doesn't remove from the fact, that it seals many of the characters stories. Wether you like to disagree, cry "fan service" or not, it doesn't change that. Also, there you go again, with your undeserving game notions.

Well, in Square's point of view, this was the Final Fantasy game, that made them become a power house, and it is the most well known, and has the largest fan base out of any other Final Fantasy game due to it's incredible success (Only one that may potentially rival it is FFX without a doubt). Surely Square would look to milking out VII more so then any other FF game out there. Put yourselves in there shoes...you make a FFVI, or a FFIV spinoff and most general players today will go "What?" however you throw in Cloud to just show up in a background eating oolong noodles and 203894290348290 people will buy it, obviously to Square, it's very deserving.

(Read my above statement again from the conflicts with Sony and Square on VII's early push release date).

Again, I have to disagree with you, because most of VII's spinoff's were very good (besides DoC).

~snip~

Then why did you make the idea that Final Fantasy VII had "mediocre" music? Read your post before this one, and you'll notice you claimed VII mediocre for it's game, music, etc, etc, however now you agree with me that overall as a game, other then "history, myths", it did better then VI. Yet somehow to you, VII was undeserving? Wait, what?

You also assume that Vet's would "agree" with your statements. Yet here I am, a FF Vet myself, and I am in disagreement with you. I feel like as though you people simply hammer VII the game simply because it's the most popular FF game out there.

The reasons why I called you out, was because all you said was "suck eggz"...which has absolutely no barring whatsoever. Of course I would single you out to give me a more thorough reason why.

However, I'm tired of derailing this thread, instead you can pm me instead and we can continue our debate there.

 

[Atma]

I will finish this actually.



FF1 is not the best because it's the starter, and yes, I am a veteran FF player, so trying to say all vets think like you is incorrect. Some of your notions stated in previous post had almost no informative statements which is why I spoke out against you.

Final Fantasy VI using myths or terms is nice and all, however you are contradicting your notions again with your next statements of VII, which I will talk about later.

Actually, I believe it is. Since it started this continuing series, FF1 is widely known to be the best. That game is the foundation for our youths and cultivations*. There is no need for information. I spoke my mind in response to the topic and were outraged because I'm different from the rest. That is not an excuse for trying to lecture me.

Maybe you didn't bother to read, but I clearly wrote it out that Square was rushed to bring Final Fantasy VII out for release as demanded by Sony. This is why it felt complete, so I'm curious as to why you still challenge to bring this up, when from a business standpoint, it was pushed by Sony. Reasons why Final Fantasy VII as a game was made and ended the way it was supposed to be. If you ever read any of the gaming magazines back during late 97, early 98 this was even indicated by Square, so it made sense to push for a movie spinoff or what not to complete the story.

Even Square in their interview's in recent time stated that ACC the movie was intended to complete VII the game's ending, and to be viewed as a whole, not seperately. Put the two together, and it makes absolute and perfect sense. This wasn't just a "fanbase" ideal thing mind you.

I don't usually read about video games so I was oblivious to that matter. However, it is not an excuse for the creators to do such a thing. Business or not, it's poor decision and that is what puts many companies at risk. Let's just be grateful SE is still doing well. No. Spinoffs and AC were not made to complete anything. It's fanservice only. Those people only said that because it went in accordance to those plans. We all know why those were really released. SE could have just made a game that discussed both the past and the future. Don't say they couldn't because they sure could have done that. FF is a cash cow for these people and that is why they decided to milk FF7 so much. FF7 happens to be tho most popular, so pleasing the fans will only fatten their pockets further. Stop being so naive already and think once in a while.

What? Firstly, your interpretation would actually make sense, if Tina did not want to fight from the very beginning. However the fact that she fights all the way up through until the events of the World of Ruin, and then all of a sudden chooses to say "Well, I don't have the will to fight anymore." Kefka being a "Demi-God" had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that she didn't want to fight, because no where in the japanese nor english does she state she fears Kefka's powers. More importantly, out of all of the Final Fantasy VI characters, she has the most logical reasons to continue fighting, other then Cyan for his personal reasons (His family did get poisoned by Kefka).

Allow me to interrupt you. Terra didn't want to fight, rather, she had to. Let's think of it from a logical perspective here. Maybe you'll understand me this time. Alright, at first, the party is fighting to stop the empire, which is not impossible. Along the way, Kefka becomes a god (demi-god/god is still a god, mind you). The party, in hopes to stop this madman challenges him. At first they don't succeed and get raped in the battlefield. Now, if Terra, who is the main protagonist of the story, could not defeat him, then what hope lies for mankind? She is the strongest of all the characters, yet she cannot best Kefka in a match of steel. Terra loses hope because she is no match for the clown and because she has found what she has always been searching for and never had- love. Terra had found what her heart desired and she didn't want to let go. Remember that she is still human like us. She can feel emotions, she can breathe, and she can think independently. We, at many points, make mistakes (as did Terra). She wanted to live the remaining days of her life a peaceful ones with the children of Mobliz. How can you blame anyone of such a selfless act? It's not until she loses her discouragement from the epic battle (with help of her friends) that she goes to confront kefka a final time. And even if you don't get Terra in your party after the WoR, she comes to the final battle anyway. She makes amends and shakes off her fears in order to protect the little ones from destruction.

You argue that "it makes" sense for her to lose her will to fight, however if anything it should will you to fight even more so, do to the fact that Tina herself has directly seen Kefka's evil hand first off more so then any of the heroes in the VI storyline. Poorly written for considerably the main protagonist of VI, yes indeed, which again is a huge flaw.

Please don't take offense but that's the dumbest thing I've ever read. You should learn to understand some common sense first (but you can't have common sense without common knowledge lol). Why would anyone challenge a god? Terra had much to lose if she failed that mission. People like Setzer, Cyan, Celes, Shadow, and Sabin had no reason to live (some had hope and some vengeance), and so, they were mad enough to challenge a god and his goddesses. Characters like Terra, Locke, and Edgar had better reasons to live and dwecided to think of plans instead of directly confronting him. Look at Strago! He lost his mind because of Kefka's power. I don't think you understand what the power of a god is. Were you in their shoes you would not make such rash decisions. Give these people more credit than they deserve. Also, the creators were thinking realistically on this game, unlike 7. I don't understand where you get that idea, since that part of 6 made the game so much more desirable. A somewhat similar comparison would be what happened to Cloud in FF7. Cloud lost his mind at one point. That really got me hooked to the story. That part of the game was quite ingenioius, tbqh. I can only imagine what could have really become of this game were it not rushed. it sucks when things turn out for the worse.

How about Kefka, as much as people here worship his character for achieving "Demi-God" status he's in the top for being a one-dimensional antagonist in terms of storyline and how the depth of his character is a deep as that of a saturday morning cartoon character. However again, when you remove yourself from the "VI was so uber good" you will see significant flaws in it's storyline base, and what's equally just as bad was the in-game mechanics themselves.

I think FF6 is an excellent game and is well done. Nothing more, nothing less. I loved how Kefka was made. It shows a more realistic side to the world of FF6. It shows that there are kinds of people and maniacs out there. Perfectly suits him. Well if you want to talk mechanics, all FF mechanics are similar. So you would be insulting your precious FF7.

Who's idea was it for the poorly made "everyone having their own unique" skills sets allowing others to simply have useless techniques throughout their VI lifeline then others (Edgar with Tools>>>>>Almost everyone in VI besides probably Gau).

Or how about the huge glitchy flaws in VI the game with X-Zone+Vanish that literally made you walk through the first half for free which had to be fixed during the re-release of VI for the DS. Wait, there's more, we still haven't even gotten to the fact that someone like Gau can obtain Lvl 3 casting magic within the very beginning of the game, something that wasn't even intended to be there.

Again, we are all entitled to our opinions. That having been said, how is what you stated any different from what I have mentioned? You don't like certain aspects of FF6 like I don't like somoe in 7. How are we any different? We are obviously both biased towards the opposite game. Now you see where I'm coming from. Hopefully... I don't even know how you managed to bring FF6 into all this. Besides, Vanish and whatever are all game exploitations that add value to the game.What good is a game without glitches? FF7 has 'em too. I think you meant the release of FFVI for the gba? I have not heard of any DS releases. Gau gaining lv 3 magics? I'm interested. You will tell me of this. Could it not have been due to the epsers and whatnot?

I could go on and on, and write to you an essay about all the fundamental flaws in VI, that again you seem to think that there is little to none visible. The fact is, if I wanted to do so, I could go from Final Fantasy I-XII and find significant and large flaws for all of them storyline and gameplay wise.

I am aware of FF6 and its flaws. I have mentioned this earlier. I said there are few flaws in the game. It all comes down to how you would interpret few and many. A building could be tall to you and be small to me. If you live somewhere in Argentina and I live in New York, region and sizae is a huge difference. Same applies here. You consider those "flaws" to be many, while I think they are very trivial and don't compare to more important flaws. But if you want to continue then do so. I am not frocing you anything! Please speak your mind so I can exploit more.

This is why I disagree with your above statement, because you look at two-three flaw points and say "Well this is terrible, therefore this game simply isn't deserving". When all FF games have landslide flaws significant for themselves.

What? FF7 has more than 3 flaws. There are flwas that are groundbreaking and those that are incospicuous. The game is not deserving of all of those merits- is my original argument. I don't understand where you are going with this.

Obviously, there is nothing wrong with being Emo, however, it's to show to you the poor direction that Square went with Tina's character in VI.

You speak like your fighting for all the oldies? However, what for? Explain? To show that they were good? That they aren't getting enough recognition (Sad truth, but most new-gen players today aren't giving to even glance or breath at the older FF games due to the fact that it's 2-D)? That they don't have enough "fanbase" to support them? It's nearly pointless and derails from the subject considering you are trying to "defend" them on a VII thread.

Really? I think it adds depth to character. Even so, she has more reason to be emo than most characters that are. Just look at her story. If you cannot understand that then you have just made my day. To think someone is that close minded....I make audible noises out of that thought. Well fighting in a new sense. A sense that is to keep myself retained within its harbored walls. I wish to sojourn in the mountains of elden FF confinement. That is my wish. I do not fight for others but myself. I don'r care of new generations. They do what they will and I will follow my own path. There is no point in coercing these fixated minds of today. Not a one will pay you heed. I only defend the runic games when I see fit. Like a coule of days ago! You instinctively had to pursue FF6 for odd reasons and I happened to stand in your way, impeding your judgement. That's all that is happening.

For fanservice with the movie, it doesn't remove from the fact, that it seals many of the characters stories. Wether you like to disagree, cry "fan service" or not, it doesn't change that. Also, there you go again, with your undeserving game notions.

Well, in Square's point of view, this was the Final Fantasy game, that made them become a power house, and it is the most well known, and has the largest fan base out of any other Final Fantasy game due to it's incredible success (Only one that may potentially rival it is FFX without a doubt). Surely Square would look to milking out VII more so then any other FF game out there. Put yourselves in there shoes...you make a FFVI, or a FFIV spinoff and most general players today will go "What?" however you throw in Cloud to just show up in a background eating oolong noodles and 203894290348290 people will buy it, obviously to Square, it's very deserving.

(Read my above statement again from the conflicts with Sony and Square on VII's early push release date).
Again, I have to disagree with you, because most of VII's spinoff's were very good (besides DoC).

Wow! What a fallacy!! I don't even think I can break this wishful thinking apart. I agree with some of your points. FF7 is the most popular with some later ones being close. I have already mentioned this several time though. I keep telling you that the graphics are main reasons for the popularity of these games. You can try to deny it but that is the truth of most gamers today. Everything starts with graphics. Alright then. You've convinced me in retreating the thought that FF7 is underserving. It's not half bad of a game but I still think it sucks eggz. You want to know why? I had the most hope for that game when I played it. I wanted to make this one my favorite when I first played it. But it was so different. It never appealed to me. I can recognize the value of the game. I give the game a 7/10 because it's pretty decent. It's not a true FF though (like the old ones). The new feel and atmosphere was cool but...what happened to the drama? What happened to that rush of nostalgia? That's when my opinions for later FFs became fixed. I can recognize them as good games but will never be able to see them in that ancient light I see the old ones in. I think FF7 is just not as deserving as the rest of the games...even the later ones. I played FF9 one day and it became one of my personal favorites. At least that game is similar to the oldies to a degree.

Then why did you make the idea that Final Fantasy VII had "mediocre" music? Read your post before this one, and you'll notice you claimed VII mediocre for it's game, music, etc, etc, however now you agree with me that overall as a game, other then "history, myths", it did better then VI. Yet somehow to you, VII was undeserving? Wait, what?

I did make that claim. What are you perplexed for? truth is truth and you cannot argue with it. In reality, FF7 did a much better job than 6. My opinion is that FF6 is better than 7 for other reasons but it doesn't blind me from the truth. I am well aware that FF7 had better presentation, etc. than 6. It's the most popular for a reason. What is it that you are so bewildered about? First you try to change my views and now you cannot understand my simple words?

You also assume that Vet's would "agree" with your statements. Yet here I am, a FF Vet myself, and I am in disagreement with you. I feel like as though you people simply hammer VII the game simply because it's the most popular FF game out there.

Vets like myself ( I should have made this clearer. My apologies), I meant. And that is simply not true. I have given you valid reasons to think FF7 is not as deserving as the rest. I'm not out to hammer any game. I replied to this topic and that is all I did. You were the one who meddled in my affairs.

The reasons why I called you out, was because all you said was "suck eggz"...which has absolutely no barring whatsoever. Of course I would single you out to give me a more thorough reason why.

However, I'm tired of derailing this thread, instead you can pm me instead and we can continue our debate there.

I mentioned it sucks eggz as an opinion...as a reply to the topic. There is no need for me to explain myself. All I had to do was speak my mind and I did so.

Ahhh! Now that I have written all of this, I am afraid I will have to post it. But for when you reply, I will definitely give you a pm. I am glad to see that you are a patient person, in contrast to other people here who outcast me in harsh retribution. I kept thinking. This trueSephiros person....he/she does not flame me on contact. This person wants to read what I have to write. I do not mind conversations with you from now on.

 

[Worldwide89]

As the first RPG I played I was happy, I will always remember that day.

 

[Noctis]

I played Crisis Core before FF7 so when i played it, I was dissapointed at graphics n stuff but after while it was alright, then i started to like, then i loved it.

 

[coroty]

ff7 well i played when my uncle passed it down to me when i was 9 and all i could say was tht it was one let alone the best game tht i have ever played!

 

[TrueSephiros]

Actually, I believe it is. Since it started this continuing series, FF1 is widely known to be the best. That game is the foundation for our youths and cultivations*. There is no need for information. I spoke my mind in response to the topic and were outraged because I'm different from the rest. That is not an excuse for trying to lecture me.

It was mediocre, and did not make any huge significant dent in the gaming world, nor to it's genre. Look back in the late 80's and see how much talk you heard of rpg's or FF1 as a whole, sure it gets credit for introducing the series, but that's it.

I'm not trying to lecture you, just trying to get more informative notes from you and why you had such a baseless claim.

I don't usually read about video games so I was oblivious to that matter. However, it is not an excuse for the creators to do such a thing. Business or not, it's poor decision and that is what puts many companies at risk. Let's just be grateful SE is still doing well. No. Spinoffs and AC were not made to complete anything. It's fanservice only. Those people only said that because it went in accordance to those plans. We all know why those were really released. SE could have just made a game that discussed both the past and the future. Don't say they couldn't because they sure could have done that. FF is a cash cow for these people and that is why they decided to milk FF7 so much. FF7 happens to be tho most popular, so pleasing the fans will only fatten their pockets further. Stop being so naive already and think once in a while.

It isn't an excuse, it's directly what happened, and is pure noted fact. You need to stop throwing out reasons to try and make claim to your notions. Sony simply demanded the game be released, because they were having a neck to neck battle with Sega in the 32-Bit system war.

Final Fantasy VII would have been the catalyst that would have pushed them to the advantage (Which it did, and it gave Sony the landslide edge). This is why Square simply did not have the time to complete the game itself. So where does the form of excuse fall into this? Your asking a company to take their franchise series and go from 2-D to 3-D while trying to create a completely new territory game on a limited time frame by from the gaming console company which was pressuring them to release it earlier then it was initially stated for?

Also have you read the interviews of AC? It was even stated to help complete the game of VII itself. This has been noted, and stated, obviously fanservice is one other reason as well, which I can agree upon, however to completely deny over the fact that they wanted to give a more complete ending and simply state it was only fan service is to truly be blinded.

Again, read AC's interviews again.

~snip~

That is the poorest excuse to cover up a poorly made storyline ever. Firstly, there is absolutely no indication of her losing her will to fight throughout the entire WoB storyline. There is also absolutely no notion of her fearing, or not wanting to fight Kefka who has now become a "Demi-God". Absolutely none stated within her character's storyline, also, you are wrong, she openly chooses to fight during the WoB. Do you not remember Banon? Locke? The Resistance?

She even thinks it over and then openly agree's to use her power to help the Resistance. Again, you most likely didn't remember this which is why you are throwing out all of these are theories of yours to try and prove your case.

However, to change from "I will fight" to "I no longer have the will to fight" makes absolutely no sense. No where does it ever show Tina being afraid of Kefka's powers, and is a throw back to the face of all those close to Tina whom were killed, and destroyed by Kefka.

The fact is simple, there is no real reason for her to turn 180 degree's, and she knows more then anything that to protect her "new family" she must contend against the being who is causing all of this. However, this isn't the case, and there is no credible story to show for her turn of the face.

Face it, some of the characters storyline by the time WoR came around was super bland, however they all had the fact that they still needed to defeat Kefka if the world was going to be at peace. This still doesn't derive the notion that Tina's turn for her character was terrible story telling.

I think FF6 is an excellent game and is well done. Nothing more, nothing less. I loved how Kefka was made. It shows a more realistic side to the world of FF6. It shows that there are kinds of people and maniacs out there. Perfectly suits him. Well if you want to talk mechanics, all FF mechanics are similar. So you would be insulting your precious FF7.

I agree FF6 is a good game, but to disregard the fact that it has huge fundamental flaws in it's storyline and game mechanics would simply be biased to that game, which is what I pointed out to you.

Kefka was not a well made character at all, no real notions to why he became who he is in FFVI (something VII greatly improved on with VII's antagonist). Kefka is no more well developed in his character persona in the game of VI then Megatron in the Saturday morning cartoon, or Freiza in the world of DBZ. Simple evil is what he is, basically a poor atempt at a "Joker like" character.

VII played similar in fashion to VI without a doubt, however VII made up for that with a greater flexibility of customs that could create near endless ways you can build and create your characters. Ex: To either be defensive, or to counter attack with magic/summons, or healing ones self, etc, etc.

Giving it far greater diversity, and more interesting gameplay. VII obviously has flaws, however no greater or less then other FF games. I don't understand how you claim I think VII is just flawless, when I have given notions of it's blunders.

Again, we are all entitled to our opinions. That having been said, how is what you stated any different from what I have mentioned? You don't like certain aspects of FF6 like I don't like somoe in 7. How are we any different? We are obviously both biased towards the opposite game. Now you see where I'm coming from. Hopefully... I don't even know how you managed to bring FF6 into all this. Besides, Vanish and whatever are all game exploitations that add value to the game.What good is a game without glitches? FF7 has 'em too. I think you meant the release of FFVI for the gba? I have not heard of any DS releases. Gau gaining lv 3 magics? I'm interested. You will tell me of this. Could it not have been due to the epsers and whatnot?

No, your wrong again, read more correctly please. I posted problems in Final Fantasy VI to show you how incorrect you were with your statement of "Final Fantasy VI had little to no flaws" notion. It was not an attempt to "downgrade" FFVI the game, however to show examples saying "Hey, this game has as much flaws as VII, and or any other FF game at that".

In fact, Final Fantasy VI the original had arguably one of the most, if not, the most broken flaw in any other FF game. Vanish+X-Zone, you can even use this up until the very end of the game (I can't remember if you can do it on Kefka) however nearly 99% of the bosses, you can.

Heck, I can even tell you a flaw in VII's game mechanic, and that's with the Mime/Counter Materia. In fact, Square made the Materia System, so good, that it became too good.

Ever seen those videos of Barret destroying Emerald in less then 2mins and 15 seconds? Ridiculous I know, however have you ever seen Locke Cole in Final Fantasy VI with Genji-Glove+Offering with Ultima Weapon+Valiant Knife combo? I tell you this...1-Turn K.O. against Kefka utilizing that!

However again, you throw out that VII has all these "bad" parts, yet VI had just as much, and had even more overpowered mechanical flaws. Really, where are you going with this? Trying to make VI sound like it flaw's were "less" irrelevant? I've already shown you three mechanical parts, that greatly change the pace, and the way you play the game in a huge significant level.

Ask anyone what things like Vanish+X-Zone, or Gau having lvl 3 Magic when your not even lvl 20 does to you within this so called "more perfect" FF game. I'll tell you something...my brother got through the entire World of Balance part with his highest character at Lvl 13 utilizing just the two above tactics...remember here, lvl 13. Yet, it's been shown by other players that the with the above tactics, you can even do it in less levels then that. However you somehow view that VI's flaws were less problematic then VII's.

So please, stop trying to make me sound like I'm downgrading the game, when it was to simply to give the reason that this game is not as picture perfect as you are mking it out to be.

Gau having Lvl 3 magic...I'd of thought someone who appreciated VI as much as you did would have broken this game down to the core like I did, to learn these things. Again, I get the feeling, I know more about the game that you currently are trying to prove was better.

Something about Tina being Emo, you talking about your path and yadi yada

It's just puzzling, however you keep on speaking of Tina's story like as though it was "well written". I simply showed you that there is absolutely nothing that pushes her to notion, other then "I have lost my will to fight" rambling that she does. Her storyline doesn't show her gradually declining into this level of thought, nor does it ever give any idea for that matter.

This is why I said, it was poorly written to see her turn in personality so much, when she is the character who has the most reasons to stop and defeat Kefka. Again, if you somehow "magically" can go back into VI the game, and give me notions of her developing to this state, then I will agree with you. However WoB "I will fight!" to WoR "No, I cannot!" Huh?

Again, you say you want to walk your own path, yet you say earlier you were fighting for "FF vet's"? However now it's "Well this is my own path and I don't care?" This again, is running in circles and you are detracting from your own statements now.

FFVII and what not, to big to quote entirely

Final Fantasy VII's game was appealing, yes indeed because of the graphics, however to simply derive it on that as the true reason is a poorly made judgement. It's seems you haven't realized that in order for a game to make this much of an impact, it has not only look good, but also play as good as it looks.

Again look to my previous notions of the Materia System, flexibility, the mini-games, the chocobo breeding, etc, etc. Which in contrast to previously FF game's, was a gigantic leap forward. You give too much credit to just FF VII's "looks", because guess what, when Final Fantasy VI came out back in 1994, 99% of all other rpg's did not even come close to the model/mob/land beauty of this game.

Graphics in itself will never go far, if the game itself was not deep, and entertaining to withstand the test of time. You need both to be an extremely successful game.

To say that it didn't lack any real drama, when in regards to any other FF game to date, it still has the most powerful event in any FF game to date...*Death of Aeris*.

It had plenty of drama, and had powerful storylines between the protagonist and the antagonist. The fact that Cloud was not the typical "hero" from previous FF protagonist, and the mere fact you saw him from top to bottom and how he fell to almost compeltely being destroyed mentally to fully recovering simply only due to his friends.

Again, I believe although you are entitled to your opinion, however I still regard that you do not give VII enough credit, and the very reason why it's Square's Bread and Butter FF game of all time, and why it gets more special treatment than any other FF game. Just look to other companies like Konami with the Suikoden Series, and you'll notice that Suikoden II and it's characters got more special love then any other Suikoden game. Why? Because it was arguably the most successful and most well remembered Suikoden game. Much in case to VII.

VII was not just a "revolutionary" game of it's time, however it had every bit of drama in it's storyline as any other FF game previously before. However, unlike other FF games of it's time, it took the protagonist and antagonist storyline to a compeltely new level, which was never displayed this deeply within FFI-FFVI.

That's why when it came out back in 1997, it had the huge impact that it made. Like my teacher once said the relationship between Cloud, his friends, and the antagonist, and with the death of Aeris was a dramatic 2nd verse that could literally be taken from a Greek play.

So no hate against you Atma, I'm glad you've changed your ideals a bit, even if alittle.

 

[Sohryuden666]

FFVII is the reason why I fell in love with the FF series in the first place. Graphics weren't the best, but that's not all there is to a game. The storyline was brilliant and made me want to keep going. And I found the character development to be very well done, especially Cloud. The game also had scenes that touched my heart in ways no other game could do. I even loved the side quests! They were challenging, yet I found them to be very enjoyable. FFVII is the Final Fantasy I know I'll never forget. It inspired me way too much.

 

[jasminepotts]

I never got to play FFVII until about 4 years ago.
I remember my friend James constantly going on about how amazing it was. So I looked things up on the internet and found out a heap about it. I instantly went on a rampant search to find it. With no luck.
A few months later I was in a game shop and out of the corner of my eye as I was walking out I just saw "Final Fantasy VII" and grabbed it straight away. I ran to the counter looking like a looney cause I had been frantically wanting it.

But what it told me is that people can say anything about themselves and make up things that make you think they're fantastic/great/amazing. But deep down its all a lie. In some cases they're good; others not so good.

 

[Flagg]

I played Final Fantasy VII when it first came out on the Playstation many years ago. I was about 19 at the time so yes, I am pretty old school compared to many of you. I think because of my age it maybe had a bigger impact on me compared to a 10 year old, because the game was totally new and something incredibly epic. Up till that moment, the best game id ever played before that was Secret of Mana (another Square gem). The game was just incredible, I mean it evoked emotion. Yes games like DOOM inspire fear and anxiety but you actually cared about your characters in FF VII, plus there was comedy and even romance and the story was breath taking. Plus the fact you could sort of deviate from the story and go on mini quests was also brilliant.

Once in awhile, a game comes out that truly pushes the barriers and sets into a motion a whole host of new games and immitations.

There has been Mario, Street Fighter II, Doom, Command and Conqueor, Half Life, Metroid, Resident Evil and Final Fantasy VII can be added to the list of truly great games. It's a shame it took FF VII to make the casual gamer aware of the series, as FF VI is such an under-rated game.

 

[Caryslan]

It never really had an impact for me when I first played it. This year was the first time I played it, and it lacked the impact that Final Fantasy IV had(which is the first Final Fantasy I ever played and my favorite in the series). Not saying its a horrible game, or that its undeserving of its success, but for me personally, FF I, II, IV, V, VI, VIII, and IX had a bigger impact for me and were more enjoyable than VII was.

 

[Zerokku]

It wasn't my first 3d final fantasy, and while it was a great game, it didn't/doesn't measure up to Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy IX, and Final Fantasy Tactics for me. I think the fact it wasn't my first 3d FF might have lessened the impact a fair bit.

 

[Hannibal Dahmer]

FF VII was the first FF that i ever played and the first RPG i played. i fell in love with RPG's from there on in and i also fell in love with FF

 

[UltimaFantasy2007]

FF VII was the first FF that i ever played and the first RPG i played. i fell in love with RPG's from there on in and i also fell in love with FF

This, pretty much.

I remember going round my Aunties and watching my cousin play it, fiddling around with the Materia and, at the time, it looked so confusing. I was baffled by, what seemed, like this complex switching in and out of specific orbs that had different effects. The game itself was a joy to watch him play and we (being my cousins, brother and I) gathered around the TV and actually did the voices for the characters as they spoke (I was the villains as I loved them growing up, and still do). It was so engaging and satisfying to sit there and look at that I had to get it myself. I was just blown away by it. After getting it I sat down, played it and just got completely lost in it. The music, the story, the world, the characters. It was totally new to me and from then on I loved RPGs and Final Fantasy. VII cemented my interest in the genre and series; and it has remained my favourite series of game ever since.