Fan Fiction Dissidia 012 Discussion

Channizard said:
Am I the only one who doesn't actually hate the idea of it being a prequel? I think it's neat. And it certainly makes a lot more sense storywise than it being a sequel, where everybody has their crystal and goes home happily only.. nowait! Come back for moar battles! Gay.

The idea of the prequel opens up way more possibilities story wise, they can easily play around with it more. And it even opens up the possibility that they have 11 more prequels on the way, all in the form of PS3/360/DS/phone spin off games. :wacky: They will easily turn this spin off from a franchise.. into it's own franchise!
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I don't hate it, its that there was a contradiction to this and it won't explain what happened to all these new characters for Dissidia. Did they die? Did they die and get sent back? I know Mateus is making them all forgot, but....what happened exactly? Will this weird story twist be explained?
 
Well that's the thing.. FF has always had sick plot twists in every game. I just hope I'm not disappointed when it comes to the reasoning behind this, but who knows? Maybe in the first War, everybody wasn't there? Maybe it started off with 12 warriors in the beginning and as people fell (going from war to war/game to game) Cosmos and Chaos add new Warriors to the War. So while some may have interacted in a War before, they may not necessarily have been there from the beginning, you know?

I dunno, just a messed up crack theory. :wacky:
 
Word out there will be 7 new characters, despite interviews. I'm asking where this was said, so don't get your hopes up just yet!

We have
Lighting
Tifa
Kain

Now they stated that there are going to be 7 new charaters, with these 3 down who do you think will be the last 4.
 
Id actually like to propose Wakka.....?
As Tidus's best ally l reckon it would be cool to have them as team mates in Assist mode.

Kain I dont care

Light yes she needs more representation

Tifa most definitely

I think Laguna..........ranged combat and CQC mix can work.

What about this I think Diablos should be there as a Summon!

Edit:Hey l was just thinking about this, I wonder if they will change the physical appearance of the each Characters Weapons?
 
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I don't know that there will only be 7 new characters. Nomura said they weren't doubling the roster, but they said that there won't only be a few new characters. Now this can mean any number of things.

1.) All the characters released so far, plus an additional 5 new Heroes from other games will have counterparts

2.) They may just introduce new Heroes from games 3/4-13 (consider 1, 2 and maybe 3 have lack luster nameless characters.)

3.) They may introduce new Heroes from a few games, and a few Villains from the other games that didn't get a Hero.

It doesn't mean just 7 new characters. Sure they have limited UMD space but the only clue Nomura's given us is the fact that there won't be 24 in total.
 
I've skimmed the past few pages as I've not got time to read all of the detail. I may have missed some of the details as a result, so put me right if I'm wrong anywhere or have missed something.

So it's a prequel. :hmmm:

I'm not against that, but I think I'd prefer the characters to have their memories.

So basically there have been twelve similar struggles before the first Dissidia, and after each war the people have been dispersed and have lost all of their memories? So they'd have to come to terms with their struggles all over again with each time? Would the deaths of characters such as Tifa, Kain and Lightning in the Dissidia universe mean that we are to expect them to not return to their respective universes, changing their histories?

And with Tifa not knowing who Sephiroth is, it would suggest that all of their memories have been wiped before the battle as well as afterwards? If that’s the case then that does suck, sadly. I think we’d all much rather have battle dialogue referencing the games, which cannot be done if the people fighting do not recognise one another.

All of that said... I guess Dissidia itself didn't make it clear how long the warriors had been fighting together. We never got to see them meet one another. All of the warriors of Cosmos did appear to have been fighting for quite a while before the beginning of the game. Perhaps they did remember the previous twelve times that they fought to beat Chaos?

With so many paradoxes, and the alternate timelines spawning due to the deaths of characters who are not meant to die it would make less sense now for Gilgamesh NOT to appear. This is right up his alley (ho ho, Alleyway Jack).
 
...Oh boy...where to start.

The moment people figured out it was a prequel, everyone cried "Dissidia is ruined FOREVER" :gasp: Oh, brother, that sounds annoying.

The fact is, the reason why we're dealing with the 12th conflict and not the 14th is possibly because there were major events in that particular war that helped shape and influence the next war (covered in Dissidia itself). A bit of topic, but that kind of reminds me of how Ace Combat 5 and Zero played out (Zero was released 2 years after 5 but took place 15 years before, yet it influenced 5's story.)

As to how to explain Lightning being involved....well you got me on that one.
 
For me it seems that once a persons role is fufilled in the dissidia universe, they are returned to there normal universe, this doesnt neccessarly mean death but it seems to me that every character had/has a part to play in setting up the final conflict of the final battle, and once there part is played, home they go.

As you can see from the footage, it looks very much like Kain has killed Bartz, yet Bartz is very present in the final dissidia, im guessing with it also being the battle before, we will see the side switch of Jecht, strong rivalry between Cecil and Kain as well as the desertion of Shantotto and Gabranth, the only thing thats a put off for me of it being a prequel is the forgone conclusion.

To throw in another epic Gilgamesh moment they could have:

Gilgamesh could fight Lightning on big bridge, the battle culminating in them both being sent back to there respective worlds and you just know its gotta be to the FFXII version of Clash on Big Bridge xD
 
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It's still early guys, Gilgamesh could very easily be released. He could be released as downloadable content or summat.. the game was ONLY JUST announced and you're forgoing the thought of Gilgamesh making an appears. Jesus :monster:
 
Channizard said:
2.) They may just introduce new Heroes from games 3/4-13 (consider 1, 2 and maybe 3 have lack luster nameless characters.)
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I love FF2, so I'm jumping in here to defend it. D=

FF1 had the 4 "warriors" (really, white mage, black mage, red mage, thief, monk, and fighter classes) of light, so I don't see how they can add another unless they do thief of light... which just sounds stupid.

FF2 had Firion, Maria, Guy, and Leon as main characters. Minwu, Ricard, Leila, and more characters that I can't remember were characters that you got for short periods of time before Leon joined you. I could easily see Maria, Guy, or Leon being put in, though maybe not Leon, actually.. Leon's a dark knight, so he might not work well with Cecil. Maria's a mage that uses a javelin (though it seems lots of people put her with a bow) so that could work. Guy uses axes... he's large and he'd be really slow as well.

The original FF3 had 4 warriors of light again, though the remake named them. I don't really know a lot about FF3 past that. :wacky:

FF4's got lovely characters, I'd love to see Rydia or Rosa (Rosa has more of a connection with Kain and Cecil, and they could always put Kain on the villains side...). :ryan:
 
Having Kain on the villain's side would be an interesting idea, but he'll probably be on Cosmos. Or if he is on Chaos' side then it'd be unwilling to an extent... probably. :hmmm:

I'm wondering which VIII and IX ones they're putting in, Rinoa/Seifer would be great.
Beatrix would be amazing, as would Vivi but I can't see him getting in. It'd probably be Steiner and Beatrix.
 
Am I the only one who doesn't actually hate the idea of it being a prequel? I think it's neat. And it certainly makes a lot more sense storywise than it being a sequel, where everybody has their crystal and goes home happily only.. nowait! Come back for moar battles! Gay.
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I agree. I think it's pretty cool this way. Plus, Cloud's ending is still there so I'm happy. :mokken: I've always loved these-type of twists so it's cool with me.

I just wish more Info would come about.
 
Channizard said:
I don't know that there will only be 7 new characters. Nomura said they weren't doubling the roster, but they said that there won't only be a few new characters. Now this can mean any number of things.
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Well, we do have this, which is where this tidbit of information sprouted from.

'We aren't doubling the roster or having one character from every single series title, but we aren't preparing only three or four new characters, either," Nomura said. Feel like being a bit more specific, guys?

"There are other new characters, but we've got strict space limits with the UMD media and so we can't give you an exact number yet," Takahashi responded.

Well, at least its more than 3 or 4.

Better be either Edgar or Celes. :gonk:

Am I the only one who doesn't actually hate the idea of it being a prequel? I think it's neat. And it certainly makes a lot more sense storywise than it being a sequel, where everybody has their crystal and goes home happily only.. nowait! Come back for moar battles! Gay.
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I don't hate it -- I think its stupid because of a the contradiction I thought I saw in Dissidia. I resolved that last night though, from a discussion.

Unless of course, Cosmos still says in Dissidia that "the war isn't over" then its pretty dumb because they didn't think of that. Of course, I'm being told that it actually says "The war is finally over".

I haven't gotten the secret ending, how about you guys? What did you hear? I'm pretty sure I heard "the war isn't over" in the game that is supposed to be the last Dissidia in the 13 wars. :/
 
lol, I missed so much working during the weekend xD

My mind is stuck on wanting Seifer in this game (regardless of when it's taking place now, *snorts*) so I'm just gonna keep twiddling my thumbs in hope. Or when all the characters get revealed :lew:

The limited amount of new characters to expect is a bit of a downer, however I'm gonna humour this possibility until it's proven wrong. When they mentioned how new characters would be a stretch on the UMD, perhaps it's a subtle indication that we might have DLC characters? Maybe not available in story mode, but at the very least we can play with them..?

For the game time line, a prequel doesn't bug me, and to some extent it even makes sense. The closed theater trailer is focusing a lot on story it seems. When the first game was released, it was mostly just the whoa factor of seeing various FF characters, but this game seems to have a bit more effort on the plot, so I'm kind of interested to see what occurs.

However I'm still confused - is this really being spear-headed by Nomura specifically? I keep hearing his name tossed around, but I'm just having a hard time believing this is one of his babies like Versus or KH :hmmm:

Someone said something about Dissidia potentially being a franchise on it's own, and you know what? That wouldn't surprise me. Dissidia is fanservice, so let's not even boo about that and talk shit about S-E for milking FF in general, but there's just so much potential chemistry between all these characters, I would love to see more :jess:
 
Fusionist said:
The limited amount of new characters to expect is a bit of a downer, however I'm gonna humour this possibility until it's proven wrong. When they mentioned how new characters would be a stretch on the UMD, perhaps it's a subtle indication that we might have DLC characters? Maybe not available in story mode, but at the very least we can play with them..?
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I was hoping they were for download. Afterall...why waste space just for Cloud's downloadable content? I think there will be a download section for continued use -- I hope, if I go by logic.

Unless he just adds a whole tab just to download one thing for one character, which would be stupid.

Fusionist said:
For the game time line, a prequel doesn't bug me, and to some extent it even makes sense. The closed theater trailer is focusing a lot on story it seems. When the first game was released, it was mostly just the whoa factor of seeing various FF characters, but this game seems to have a bit more effort on the plot, so I'm kind of interested to see what occurs.
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It doesn't bug me, its what I thought the ending secret movie sad. I thought Cosmos said "
The war isn't over
" but she really said "
The war is finally over
" so my confusion is over. I thought he tried to pull something and failed. But I guess this is cool, although new questions pop in my head asking "Then what happens to Kain, Tifa and any new characters? Do they die in this game?" :gasp:

Yea, I want to see the story too. I just hope they didn't waste too much space on CGI movies, it would be nice to see more story and customizations for the characters.

Fusionist said:
However I'm still confused - is this really being spear-headed by Nomura specifically? I keep hearing his name tossed around, but I'm just having a hard time believing this is one of his babies like Versus or KH :hmmm:
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Supposedly by Japanese sites and TGS (TSG?) they already knew it was a prequel despite Nomura saying "Sequel". They say that Nomura meant "Sequel" as in "a second release game" and not the general definition of it.

Plus, if you watch the secret ending and read all the reports, that's also what it says, that this is the last game :/

Fusionist said:
Someone said something about Dissidia potentially being a franchise on it's own, and you know what? That wouldn't surprise me. Dissidia is fanservice, so let's not even boo about that and talk shit about S-E for milking FF in general, but there's just so much potential chemistry between all these characters, I would love to see more :jess:
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Well, I thought they were milking it in the bad way. As in contradicting themselves. But after reading the reports (important ones), watch the secret ending and then read over the script of Dissidia and then watch the newest trailer for this game, it makes sense.

I was just a little angry if they screwed up the game by attempting to make something that wasn't there. lol
 
Are you talking about a series of games that might actually get people to think positively about FF again?...............nah that scant be?

Perhaps its not such a bad idea,S-E may have reached there limit with original characters and they need to flesh out there stock of great characters instead of dragging them down with mediocre counterparts from game to game.

Vaan Im looking at you........If they fall so far to include Vaan in DouDecim I will go an a 1 man riot and make a beeline for S-E HQ with my Masamune and go Sephiroth an there collective asses.

Beatrix in D2 would be great as well.
 
Hm, says the 19th, so here's the latest from Famitsu.

Just a few notes on a wrap-up interview Arakawa gave to Famitsu.com. First of all, Duodecium won an award in the "Best Future Games" catagory at TGS! The rest of the interview is about the demo - Arakawa notes that he finds Lightning's Paradigm Shifts easy to work with and properly ultizing the Dash command is a key to using Kain. The other characters in the demo were either chosen for ease of use (Cloud, WoL, and Terra), to show off a more specialized character (Kuja representing magic users), or to examplify changes to the game (Firion showcasing the new "Ground Dash" command.) He also hopes that any FF fans who were turned off or intimidated by the first game will give Duodecium a try.

Also, the article has new screenshots of Lightning's EX-Burst, Kain's "Dark Dragoon" Alt Outfit, and Tidus calling in Jecht for an Assist with Jecht Blade.
 
Interesting. So I guess if Cosmos' Tidus can call on Chaos' Jecht, there may be no limit in who you can call for back up? Neat-o :jess:

But maybe there's limits in story-mode - if this feature is even allowed in story-mode :hmmm:
 
I imagine it'd probably be pre set for story, but anyone can team with anyone on quick play/multiplayer and such.

It does seem like an interesting new touch to it, that's for sure.
Think if the combinations. xD
 
It is a great touch.

I'm hoping for a bit of dialogue as an ally is called in as well. Dialogue that references the games and such.

Just another question here... Does anyone have any idea how many new stages / arenas are likely to be added? So far we have Orphan's Cradle and Sky Fortress Bahamut announced, making sure that FFXII and FFXIII catch up with the other FF games in having their own stages.

Would we expect others from games which have already had a stage in the original Dissidia? Or would it leave FFXI as being the only game needing a stage to represent it, and therefore only being one stage left to be announced?

Hopefully we can see a few more from games which have already had a stage, though I doubt that they'd make an extra stage for each game if they aren't going to give us a character for each game.
 
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