Does God punish masturbation?

[Finnegan III]

The whole 'it doesn't harm anyone' arguement is missing one important fact.

Bukkake, it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye.


Srsly tho, if god is going to watch me fap to see if I'm not, instead of oh I don't know making sure the starving people aren't starving, and stopping wars.

Then you've got to ask, what kind of god is that? You get up to St Peters gates.

Fapper #1: Hey can I get in?
Peter: Well we've been watching you, and you've been stroking one eyed jack the pirate til he pukes so, byebye *pulls lever*
Mass Murderer #1: *shifty eyes* Hi there, can I come in
Fapper #2: Don't let him in he's a murderer
Peter: Well, God and I didn't see no murders, we did however see you crying spunky tears all over your clean bed sheets *pulls lever* Welcome to Heaven Mass Murderer #1"

It's a bit fucking stupid imho.

So no, I think the idea of getting punished for tossing the purple jack is retarded. Especially the "wasting your men" nonsense, it will get wasted anyway. Wet Dreams for example, happen naturally. Clearly we're going to hell for our own bodily functions.

 

[Rockman X]

Lets not forget that the bible is more outdated than that 50's article I found on how to be a good wife.....

Il bet everything we do in a daily life is punishable by God.

Yarly. Not to mention it was a totally different (and backwards) culture.

So no, I think the idea of getting punished for tossing the purple jack is retarded. Especially the "wasting your men" nonsense, it will get wasted anyway. Wet Dreams for example, happen naturally. Clearly we're going to hell for our own bodily functions.

Good ol' puberty And I've heard (though I don't know if it's true), that wet dreams are much more frequent if you're not fapping or having sex, and since the body has to get rid of the excess semen it just spurts it out at night. Like I said, dunno the validity of that, but either way it's a natural process so is that "killing lives" too?

 

[Ryvius]

And I've heard (though I don't know if it's true), that wet dreams are much more frequent if you're not fapping or having sex, and since the body has to get rid of the excess semen it just spurts it out at night.

I've heard that too, and it makes enough sense.

Anyway, I'm not religious so my opinion on religion probably shouldn't be taken to far, but no I don't think so. The way I see it if god is real, then most of the bible isn't true. I mean whether god had a hand in it or not the bible was written by men, and I'm sure it's seen its share of creative editing. If there's a god, I just can't imagine he'd punish someone for fapping, or loving someone of a different race or same gender, or that he'd say any one race is better than the other...etc. etc. I don't think you could take any religious text at face value.

I like to imagine God doesn't care if you fap, people are just putting words in his mouth. He's a victim here! That's why he doesn't do any more interviews.

 

[Lirael]

I don't really know what to believe in regards to this, but Roman Catholics would say he does. It goes against Natural Law, which is a basis for Catholic teaching. When one masturbates, they're using the sexual organs for pleasure, when their puspose is to reproduce. Any sexual act which does not lead to reproduction is seen as immoral, which is why they ban contraception. Of course, sex isn't immoral if you're just unsuccessful in regards to producing a kid. But masturbations a no no. It's all about self-indulgence.

However, not all ethical beliefs teach this. There are those religions which don't condemn it at all, if they even mention it. But there are none, that I know of, which actually encourage it. It's really not a question one can answer without knowing which, if any, religion is right.

I take Philosophy and Ethics at school/college. xD

 

[KourtneyVT09]

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ok, first of all, God doesn't "punish" you for anything. In this life or the next. As long as we beileve in him, we are good to go. now, he gives us a bible so we know what to do given the circumstance. dont steal, dont dis youre mom, dont cheat on youre wife. all that good stuff.

but theres NEVER anything that sais "dont sin.....or else" because god already knew we were all gonna be screw ups. no rule that sais "thou shalt not sin". whats the point in wasting the lighting on another commandment that is impossible??? so youre good on the whole "god is going to punish me" thing.

if you ever recieve punishment by the goverment or get hurt for something stupid you did, its youre own damn fault! its called phisics! if you drink too much alcohal, you might pass out. if you speed, you might get in a car wreck. if you kill someone, you might get caught. its not gods fault.

next thing, it never sais anywhere NOT to masturbate. I dont think you should watch pornagraphy. thats definatly a no-no, because its lust.

Im not against it at all. If it can save a marriage or other relationship, then im all for it. if jake cheated on me, ide beat him up and never talk to the prick again. but if he just went into his room and did what he needed to do, i wouldnt even care.

 

[Rockman X]

Anyway, I'm not religious so my opinion on religion probably shouldn't be taken to far, but no I don't think so. The way I see it if god is real, then most of the bible isn't true. I mean whether god had a hand in it or not the bible was written by men, and I'm sure it's seen its share of creative editing. If there's a god, I just can't imagine he'd punish someone for fapping, or loving someone of a different race or same gender, or that he'd say any one race is better than the other...etc. etc. I don't think you could take any religious text at face value.

Homesexuality is wrong, and yet...the Israelites just luv'd them sum cousin marriage and having multiple wives and concubines, but God didn't say anything to them about that. I'd say that's a helluva lot more immoral than fapping.

I don't really know what to believe in regards to this, but Roman Catholics would say he does. It goes against Natural Law, which is a basis for Catholic teaching. When one masturbates, they're using the sexual organs for pleasure, when their puspose is to reproduce. Any sexual act which does not lead to reproduction is seen as immoral, which is why they ban contraception. Of course, sex isn't immoral if you're just unsuccessful in regards to producing a kid. But masturbations a no no. It's all about self-indulgence.

So it's wrong to enjoy sex? Pfft, if it was meant solely as a reproduction method, god wouldn't have made it an enjoyable experience.

I dont think you should watch pornagraphy. thats definatly a no-no, because its lust.

Whoops

 

[Dean Winchester]

Simple answer: we are all sinners, we are all going to die, there's no such thing as hell and everything we do will eventually lead us to sin. The just reward for sin is death, therefore why we will eventually die. We have already paid the price to be allowed to commit all the sins we might do, the only difference is that if we do sin and not repent for it, we will most likely end up being destroyed along with Satan and his minions on Judgment Day.

So yes, the new purpose of life after losing perfection, is ultimately to pay for our sins, the price being DEATH.

 

[SapphireStar]

No, I just think the Church tell you mastrubation is wrong because they dont want anyone to feel pleasure in life. Its really if you believe in God, some dont, so really they can masterbate away.

But even if you do, why would God punish you for masturbating? You arent doing nothing wrong, you are bringing pleasure to yourself.

 

[Prince Oberyn Martel]

Every sperm is sacred
Every sperm is great
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Let the heathen spill theirs
On the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found.

I'm sure he doesn't though (or I'm in for a helluva time!) because its just a natural bodily function. Besides it keeps singletons out of trouble n'whatnot.

 

[Dean Winchester]

No, I just think the Church tell you mastrubation is wrong because they dont want anyone to feel pleasure in life. Its really if you believe in God, some dont, so really they can masterbate away.

But even if you do, why would God punish you for masturbating? You arent doing nothing wrong, you are bringing pleasure to yourself.

Is based on morals, like someone stated before and the ability to keep yourself from committing the sin of lust. Perhaps it is a way to show us that mind can rule flesh, and not vice versa.

 

[Reality.Fantasy]

Now that I read Jule's post and think about it, why is Lust a sin, exactly? I haven't actually taken the time to find the reasoning behind all the stuff in the Bible.

 

[Donald Trump]

because you are giving in to temptation, like eve did in the garden of eden, and what jesus didnt do in the desert.

bit stupid though, that we as mortals should be expected to live up to jesus(christian jesus btw)

 

[der Astronom]

It's better to say that lust is bad because it prevents you from picking the woman/man of your dreams.

I'd think that reason makes more sense.

 

[Rockman X]

It's better to say that lust is bad because it prevents you from picking the woman/man of your dreams.

I'd think that reason makes more sense.

And that reason is just silly People are naturally going to have someone completely perfect in their dreams, and that only leads to disaster when they get in relationships that aren't perfect.

The reason lust is bad (at least from the Bible's perspective) is that a man is supposed to be faithful to his wife (or vice versa), and lust is committing adultery. Yes, according to the Bible it's possible to commit mental adultery. But wait! It gets even crazier. This even applies to before you get married, because you're committing adultery with your future partner. Kind of stupid because there's no guarantee that you will ever marry in the first place.

Also, according to Jesus even thinking about killing someone is breaking the sixth commandment (thou shalt not murder). So yeah, Christianity is all about mental restriction and the utterly impossible.

 

[der Astronom]

I only suggested that as a means of picking a relationship carefully, rather than making out with just about anyone. It's better at least to have a relationship you agree with and had some thought over than to go into a relationship with just about anyone, regardless of what they're like.

 

[Hera Ledro]

Religiously, Lust is a sin because, like all of the Seven Deadly Sins, it cuts you off from God. Lusting after somebody pulls you away from God, because you are objectifying His creation, and you are doing it to the point where it distracts you from worshipping Him.

Now, coming from the sacreligious point of view, Lust is an even greater sin (or so I believe, anyways).

When you Lust after somebody, you are objectifying that person; hell, you can lust after a creature or a concept. I know many people who take their anime loves way too far. However, you are objectifying something, and allowing your distinctive sexual desires to take over your sense. Lust often results in involuntary sex, not unusually rape. That is lust in a nutshell, when speaking biologically; the physical urge to propagate.

Humans are a promiscuous race, being polygynandrous, regardless of belief. In this case, I don't think that we can argue that humans are monogamous, or naturally only want one mate. Humans, as seen by continuous reports of rape, cheating on husbands/wives, and other such things, are polygynandrous. We have sex with who we want, when we want.

We have long since attempted to suppress this; people think that it is unhealthy, and I quite agree. We now bring forth the concept of Lust as a sin, something that is physically detrimental. This is supported by the fact that men and women are sexually aroused when they see someone who is 'hot' or 'cute' or something similar. Modern culture has somewhat fogged our ideas on our instincts; when you get a boner, buddy, it's because you want to plant yourself in there. You may not realize it, but it is an instinct, something in our subconscious (no, I am not going Freud here).

Now, my stance on masturbation.

Personally, I think that, if you believe in YHWH, you will likely get penalized in the afterlife for masturbation. Why? Because you are wasting life that He wants you to give, you are wasting the opportunity to do as He bid Adam and Eve to do when they were banished. He did say to go forth and multiply. This is also why contraception will earn you penalty in heaven. By masturbating, you are defying His will.

Whether you go by Old Testament or New Testament, the point YHWH makes throughout is obedience (though it is much more peaceful in the New Testament). You obey God, you will be rewarded. You disobey God, you will be punished.

Personally, as an atheist, I think it's up to you. I don't masturbate, but that's my choice. I think that you should decide what's right. Whether it's based on cultural beliefs is regardless; it is you who makes the final decision and must accept any and all consequences.

And that's my two cents for the day.

 

[der Astronom]

It should be interesting to note that other species have males that aren't picky and give away sperm easily--it's like the store with a discount because they want to get rid of EVERYTHING. The females in most species are completely opposite--they won't even interact with you unless you have particular features she finds attracting. And it's understandable because eggs are expensive to make, and sperm comes cheap.

If we were ever like that without society, I'll never know.

 

[Donald Trump]

It should be interesting to note that other species have males that aren't picky and give away sperm easily--it's like the store with a discount because they want to get rid of EVERYTHING. The females in most species are completely opposite--they won't even interact with you unless you have particular features she finds attracting. And it's understandable because eggs are expensive to make, and sperm comes cheap.

If we were ever like that without society, I'll never know.

Tbh i dont think comparing humans to animals (i know humans are animals) really works in this case, because they are so different, to the best of my knowledge, animals are only physically attracted to each other, for humans there is more than that to it.
And there is more to just that to it, its about god and our interpretation of wether masturbation would be seen as a sin in the eyes of the particular deity we believe in.
As an atheist, i dont see that there is anything wrong/sinfull about masturbation, and if i were religious i would most likely believe the same

 

[Hera Ledro]

Tbh i dont think comparing humans to animals (i know humans are animals) really works in this case, because they are so different, to the best of my knowledge, animals are only physically attracted to each other, for humans there is more than that to it.

I beg to differ. Humans are nothing but animals who survive differently than others do. Humans don't 'love.' This is simply a concept designed, or so I postulate, during older times when it was first forbidden for man to have more than one wife. Everybody here gets aroused when they see somebody attracted, it's human biological nature. And then, of course, there's the viagra

You may have more attraction to your spouse/partner than other people at certain times, but the only reason that I find (personal observation, in other words) this happens is because you are loyal to what you find ethically right. Ethics and Morality are things designed by humans so that they can function better in a society. As a matter of fact, all creatures that live in a 'society' have their own ethics; for example, wolves travel in packs, and the alpha male is the boss. You follow his rules, or you're out of the clan. It is similar with fish and penguins and other such animals. Societies and rules are not exclusive to humans.

That being said, we have a different ethical view than other animals. We view it as ethically appropriate to have only one spouse. However, we are aroused by other people as well, contributing to the idea that humans are polygynandrous. I remained loyal to my ex for a reason: she loved me, and I cared for her feelings above all else. I was attracted by others; to deny that would deny my very physiology, but I remained loyal through concern. Eventually, the relationship didn't work out, and we had to split.

Another piece of evidence to support the claim that humans are polygynandrous animals is the idea of serial raping. The presence and popularity of rape is cold hard truth that we are little more than animals that succumb to our sexual desires. There are those among us that are not so primitive, such as Ghandi, Jesus, Buddha, and others, but they were unique.

There are women rapists as well, not just men (hence my claim for polygynandry). You'll also note that the divorce rate is higher than ever before, because it is now allowed. However, infidelity, according to research by Linda McCloud (and many others who i could cite, but won't), is one of the top reasons for divorce (Top Reasons People Divorce, http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/35097/top_reasons_people_divorce.html), and is not uncommon anymore. I am forever hearing cries of people being cheated on, boyfriends having other girlfriends, wives spending 'quality time' with other men, commonlaw partners being promiscuous. I could go on and on, but I'd like to see those three points debated first.

But, getting back to topic...

And there is more to just that to it, its about god and our interpretation of wether masturbation would be seen as a sin in the eyes of the particular deity we believe in.

Very true. It is all in the belief.

As an atheist, i dont see that there is anything wrong/sinfull about masturbation, and if i were religious i would most likely believe the same

I don't see anything sinful about it either, I just don't want to partake in it. Why bother, it's not the real deal.

However, it would depend on the religion you joined. Even if you kept that belief, you would likely be shunned by a lot of religious sects, not the least of which would be Christianity. Not all religions are kind with the concept of masturbation.

 

[der Astronom]

I made the comparison between humans and other species because we are all a part of sexual selection. It doesn't matter that maybe our attraction for love or sex is somehow more "advanced" or preferably, "complicated" than other animals; some of theirs are also highly complicated and interesting as well, but in different ways. Regardless of that, there's no escaping sexual selection. The fact that our means of sex and love are different from other animals just means we have a different way of spreading our genes. Makes no difference.

Religion can complain and bitch about the way this works all they want; the matter of the fact is, it changes nothing. People will love who they love and have sex with whomever they have sex with.