Is it okay for a man to ever hit a woman?

[Tmoo]

its just the thread is not about violence and its social acceptance, maybe you should appeal to the mods to have the name of the Thread changed to go along with your stereotype snuffing?.....its worth a shot maybe

a question like this may seem archaic but its still a big societal problem.

I do think the thread name needs to be changed, but it isn't abhorrent; I just see it as biased. I can see what you're getting at; this is a thread about violence on women only, violence on men is off-topic. Still, I felt it needed to be said. I know I look like a pretentious ass waltzing in preaching equality, but someone has to do it or the discussion won't happen.

EDIT: i should probably stop getting myself into so many debates, it seems like every post i make at FFF incites an argument, haha...orz

 

[Bambi]

Im too lazy to read 9 pages of posts, so Il just throw my peanut in here

Dont hit anyone would be more appropriate I think

Like we're brought up to believe its wrong to hit women, well, because we are the fairer sex etc etc, but fucking hell, ive seen some right bruisers for women on nights out that could knock ten bells out of some bloke..

If she can hit like a man, then she can damn well get hit BACK like one. It'd be more ideal of the person on the recieving end to try to resdtrain the other person (regardless of gender) than get into all out fisticuffs. But put in that situation, how do you know how you are gunna react? if i went pelting up to some dude and belted him one, and got hit back, should he really get condemned for that? In the heat of the moment you might just think *been hit, hit back*

Just hitting anyone for no good reason really is unacceptable, I dont care WHO you are. Also, while Im at it, the same goes for anyone starting on someone they KNOW is at a phsical disadvantage. If you want to go out and pick a fight, grow some balls and start on someone your own size

And those cunts that beat the crap out of their other halves are just cowards, also, again, regardless of gender

Like the ones wearing tarty outfits, get raped and claim they were asking for it, etc. Those women are the ones who need a good smack.

Im abit confused by this comment, are you saying they deserve it becaue they are dressed abit provocatively...? Some of the stuff Ive gone out wearing doesnt mean its a licence for some man to think he has the right to touch me if I dont want it.

Im not sure if Im reading it wrong however so forgive me if Im wrong there

 

[Altair]

I think that a Man should never hit a Woman no matter what, well maybe if the woman has a gun in his face but that's and extreme. I guess it's just the way that i was raised was to never hit a woman. I would restrain her and put her in a body lock if it got out of control but i woulden't hit back unless she had a deadly weapon.

 

[Valkyrur]

Sounds like a stereotypical statement that a classic gentleman would chirp readily in defense of a woman. Personally speaking, I do not think that it is wrong to hit a woman, but there must be a strong reason behind that. If they truly deserve it, then I wouldn't comment much on them being hit.

Anyway, hitting someone is a form of punishment. If the person deserves it, she should receive it no matter her gender. Of course though, not in an unnecessarily violent way. Nevertheless, I personally find it hard for me myself to even imagine a scenario where I would hit a girl. Probably can't grow out of the 'don't hit women mentality'....

To veer off from the main question, I don't even think anyone should hit another, but I admit there would be some scenarios where actions speaks louder than words. If it is the hits that would literally 'hit the nail' and drive home the lesson, then I suppose that is something to be done.

Then again, I forget to emphasize. The same rule applies. 'Do it at your own risk'.

Spoiler

We have laws for a reason.

 

[ren1200]

I would only smack a woman if she deserves it never hit unless shes got a gun or knife or sword. Theres multiple ways to defend yourself without knocking the crap out of her.
1. smack her. If shes not drunk she'll most likely be stunned that you even hit her back (unless she expects you too)
2. Theres nerves located in the back of the head and neck that if hit right will knock a male or female out.
3. You could just take the weapon from her. If its not sharp like a bat just grab it when she swings it at you.
4. Theres always the option of tackling him/her and restrainin that person.
5. Mace. (its legal...)
All in All theres plenty of ways to protect yourself without knocking the Hell out of someone.

 

[Ayen]

In general? No. I find the very thought disgusting quite honestly. Also I see no reason to bring up self defense because it's irrelevant. Of course things are going to be different in matters of self defense, and even then there are more effective ways of defending yourself then flat out beating the other person to a bloody pulp (And that applies no matter what gender the other person is). I'm not for hitting period if I can help it. Not like I could do much damage if I did punch anybody.

 

[Sum1sgruj]

I say that you shouldn't hit a woman in general also. But.. if a woman truly deserves it, than she truly deserves it, and popular belief is not going to save the bitch

Woman do the things they do because they think they can get away scott free with it, whereas a man would fight another man. People forget that hitting someone is an act of making another feel pain,, not to see if they can defend themselves.. so hows hitting a girl worse than hitting anyone else?

 

[bearsfwd]

I'm not sure what I would do if I was put in this situation. With that said, I am of the belief that if a woman hits a man for no good reason, then I feel that a man should be allowed to defend himself. IMO, a good reason would be if the man and woman are in a relationship and he does something that is slap-worthy, but if they weren't in a relationship and she hit him for no good reason, then that, in my eyes, is an OK time to defend oneself.

I honestly don't understand all this "women can do anything they want to men, but men just have to sit there and take it". I'm not advocation men be allowed to hit women whenever they want, because that's not right. Women shouldn't be allowed to hit men either. However, if hitting does start, I think both genders should be fair game.

So in short, a man should never hit a woman unless she hit him and he is defending himself, and vice versa.

 

[coffeecup]

I recognize that I have some bias when it comes to preferential treatment towards women. I've been slapped by a girl before, and I didn't do shit...I didn't even think about hitting her back. Now I've never been slapped by a guy, but if that happened I'm sure I would be less reserved as to any retaliatory action that I might be inclined to take.

Of course if a woman comes at me for death, I wouldn't hesistate giving her a good punch in the face. As long as there is really no threat to any serious bodily harm, I would find it very difficult to physically retaliate in any way against a woman. Am I a sexist for thinking this? Sure, but I don't give a fuck.

 

[Tmoo]

the belief that it's okay for women to hit men but not vice versa is reverse misogyny. it assumes that women are so weak as to be defenseless. many of them do fit that stereotype, but there are also many who don't and are more than capable of self-defense. i imagine women looking for true equality and not special privileges would see the phrase 'don't hit women' a detriment to feminism, and not an empowerment.

tl;dr: don't hit people, hitting is bad. in fact, don't hit anything unless it will do something productive like hammer a nail (into your foot).

 

[Catnip]

I think it depends on the extent. If she's attacking the guy bare-handed or doing something that's not a cause for emergency, he shouldn't go further than to just restrain the bitch.

It would be different if she attacked him or someone he cared about with a potentially deadly weapon though. In that case, if he thought there was no other way to stop her, I think it would make perfect sense for him to attack her and possibly go for the kill.

Okay, not go for the kill, because the guy would get charged due to this unjust justice system we have going on.

Also, a lot of dudes like to go down the "equal rights" route with this shit, I've noticed. All I have to say to that is this isn't about the broad's safety, unless you're a bleeding hearted nimrod. This is about you accidentally killing her or causing her severe injuries and totally screwing yourself for something that could have been handled completely differently.

 

[Squid]

No it's not ok unless shes waving a knife or gun at the guy and he is genuinely fearing for his or a loved ones safety.

Men are (mostly) a lot stronger than women and they could easily over power one attacking them bare hand without having to hit if they really had to.

 

[Will Graham]

Yes there are situations where it is perfectly acceptable

I understand that biologically men will normally be much stronger than women, but being punched in the face by a woman still hurts. It is not always possible to restrain a woman who has flew at you, and is throwing punches at your face. You can't restrain their legs if you get then in a hug, so that's your balls fucked if she knees you. Not to mention if you do try and hold them down, with some women you'd need to be a cross between a bear and an octopus for that to be enough to stop them hurting you

So if a woman attacked me like that, I would not see a problem with pushing her with all my might, or a strong open handed slap

 

[Shu]

I'm not a fan of hitting back. There are much more embarrassing ways of handling a thrown punch by a girl. Women automatically think punching / slapping does harm to a fella. Not quite.

If I were to get punched I go for the legs, or arm pits. I have had to do it to two ladies, one who was with me (no longer) and one who was holding glass and was flat out drunk at my friend's condo. Abuse goes both ways, I've seen the case mostly these days to be actually women abusing men. At least it's the case around here. Automatically the man is seen in the wrong if there is a bruise, scrape when there is self defense.

So the arm pits.. heh. This is a funny one. Either hook your arms through her arms and do a full nelson against the wall, or grab the balls of the arm pits and push her arms up. Use the legs to keep from a swift punt to the nads, and there you have it.

Well the legs are the weakest section for women most of the time, the point is to go low near the thighs and use your other arm to buckle her knees and slide her neatly on her back.

You can tell when someone means it when they throw a punch and when someone is playing. I do not condone either of these unless someone is completely abusive or someone is threatening you or your loved ones. Sometimes the only way to calm someone down is to just take them out of their element for a second without causing them harm.

As far as punching? Kicking? Never. If I threw my arm, I could break something with ease, internally or externally. I think men who use their fists against women are pathetic. No one deserves to be hit.

 

[Bambi]

im convinced Ive posted in a topic like this before, I dont think it's ok for anyone to hit anyone ever, but if someone hits another person, they should expect to be hit back, regardless of their gender. The fact that the other person may be a woman should not even come into it

I think there are a lot of women, especially on nights out, that hide behind the whole 'he cant hit me, becuase im a woman' kinda thing, and they will be screaming like a banshee proper going for it at some poor bloke that wont retaliate because hes been brought up to think its wrong, and probably worried about the repercussions if he snaps and does so

Also, how can anyone claim to know how they would react in the heat of the moment, woman belts man, man reacts and hits her back, yet hes the arsehole?

 

[Dragon Mage]

@Bambi: Everything you said, +1. Love it.

I say this with utter sincerity.

HELL YES.

If a woman is beating on a guy and screaming and thrashing at him, then that guy has all rights to haul off and punch that bitch. No one should lay down and let themselves be abused, male or female. Everyone seems to think it 'doesn't count' or 'isn't hurtful' if a woman hits a man: But we tend to call this kind of thinking a "double standard".

No one should just tolerate being abused or struck, regardless of gender. Pretty much everything Bambi said.

Essentially, don't start a fight if you can't take a hit. If a woman instigates and gets hit and sues for it, that's pants on head retarded. It's self-defense, through and through.


In Addition:

I find it rather startling that all guys on here so far are assuming that one punch from a man will automagically break a woman's face in.

Dear fellows, this is simply not so.

I've taken a kick straight to the face from a guy older than me (karate competition, as it were) and it certainly hurt like hell but I'm still breathing. It didn't knock me out, it just hurt like a raging sonofabitch.

Woman are plenty tough. They are just as hardy as most men, probably even more so since woman can tolerate a lot more pain than men can (on average). Women's bones are not more fragile. Their skin is not more delicate. They do not start life at -50 HP.

So if some drunk bitch comes up to you and starts yanking your hair out by the handfuls and starts slapping, punching and biting you, please do the world a favor AND KNOCK HER ON HER ASS.

I may belong to a 'tough love' school of thought here, but if she didn't want to get laid flat, then she shouldn't have started it. This goes for guys, too, mind you. Oh, hey guy, you didn't want to get your fingers broken? Then you shouldn't have been putting them where they didn't belong!

(Breaking fingers is easy, btw, I almost did it once by accident.)

In short, if someone starts a fight, no matter who it is, you just make damn sure to finish it.

 

[ElvenAngel]

I have to say, children, that I'm disappointed that you think all women are weaker than all men.

I'm a pretty good example of a woman who, having been raised among a pack of boys (cousins and what have you) and by a dad who likes his kids to be independent, am very capable of wrecking a man's face and/or other important parts.

Yes, not just hold up against, but wreck.

I'm not a violent gal. I just don't take shit from people. I've taken quite a few thrashings in my life from high school bullies, and dished out about as much damage. And I know a lot of other women who are the same.

GIRLS! (and boys) Women are not made of glass. Yes, we're not men or have the male hormones and muscle structure, but we are not made of glass. If someone, no matter what gender, is assaulting you, you MUST defend yourself. I've beaten up as many women as I have men and I am damn proud that I'm able to do so.

Here's a story that puts a smile on DragonMage's pretty mug every time I say it.

A couple of years ago, around Christmas time, Athens was being plagued by some pretty damn vicious riots; now, I don't care to go into massive detail about the social and political context because half of that is horse-shit. The point is, people were looking for scapegoats to take their anger out on, and some anarchist pussies turned to a very handy and cliche'd target. I'm a graduate of the American College of Greece and various people have always had issue with my college.

So one fine day, among those riots, I leave campus to hurry home and start studying for an impending midterm exam on Contemporary Short Fiction, already tired from a grueling day of classes and sleep-deprived. My back hurts 'cause I'm carrying a nearly 5 pound, hard-cover BRICK of an Art History textbook in my bag. The way to the bus stop from where I'll take the first of 2 buses home is a long ways away so I have to leg it.

Halfway there I realize someone's following me, and sure enough it's two tall, fairly beefy dudes who stink of anarchism pseudo-ideology and bullshit 'righteous anger'. I've obviously just left the very American-looking campus of the American College. I look like a nerdy student hauling textbooks. So I'm the perfect target for some really, really offensive language about my person, my status as a traitor and undesirable and other spiel I care not to repeat.

Like I said, I'm not a violent woman, but at that point I'm tired, concerned about the midterm, sleep-deprived and worse yet--I have not had a cola all day and I'm caffeine-starved. My nerves are not in a good state. I eventually stop, turn and ask the two of them if they want something, otherwise they can go fuck right off--I say all this in Greek so they don't think they've got some American or foreigner to deal with. I'm Greek and fuck yes their bullshit is bothering me.

They were surprised but not enough to back off. They kept provoking me and insulting me to my face. I calmly told them to either fuck right off (again) or stop acting like dweebs pretending to be rebels with daddy's wallet and grow some balls and take me on. One of them obliged.

I proceeded to clobber him with my bag, and I'm delighted to say that even within a padded bag, "Gardner's Art Through The Ages: A Global History" (Thirteenth Edition) by Fred S. Kleiner, is a wonderful self-defence weapon of blunt force trauma indeed. :3

I clocked one in the head and the other in the gut, took a left hook to the face (my glasses survived) and a rogue hit to the ribs but another swing of the bag square to the face finished it all up quite nicely as they backed off in a hurry and a hail of my best mixed swear words.

So yeah, if you judge that a woman is presenting a very real danger to your well-being, defend yourselves. HARD.

But if I find out that you beat on a woman for no good reason, I will find you and show you just how hard a lesson Art History can be.

 

[Catnip]

@Bambi: Everything you said, +1. Love it.

I say this with utter sincerity.

HELL YES.

If a woman is beating on a guy and screaming and thrashing at him, then that guy has all rights to haul off and punch that bitch. No one should lay down and let themselves be abused, male or female. Everyone seems to think it 'doesn't count' or 'isn't hurtful' if a woman hits a man: But we tend to call this kind of thinking a "double standard".

No one should just tolerate being abused or struck, regardless of gender. Pretty much everything Bambi said.

Essentially, don't start a fight if you can't take a hit. If a woman instigates and gets hit and sues for it, that's pants on head retarded. It's self-defense, through and through.


In Addition:

I find it rather startling that all guys on here so far are assuming that one punch from a man will automagically break a woman's face in.

Dear fellows, this is simply not so.

I've taken a kick straight to the face from a guy older than me (karate competition, as it were) and it certainly hurt like hell but I'm still breathing. It didn't knock me out, it just hurt like a raging sonofabitch.

Woman are plenty tough. They are just as hardy as most men, probably even more so since woman can tolerate a lot more pain than men can (on average). Women's bones are not more fragile. Their skin is not more delicate. They do not start life at -50 HP.

So if some drunk bitch comes up to you and starts yanking your hair out by the handfuls and starts slapping, punching and biting you, please do the world a favor AND KNOCK HER ON HER ASS.

I may belong to a 'tough love' school of thought here, but if she didn't want to get laid flat, then she shouldn't have started it. This goes for guys, too, mind you. Oh, hey guy, you didn't want to get your fingers broken? Then you shouldn't have been putting them where they didn't belong!

(Breaking fingers is easy, btw, I almost did it once by accident.)

In short, if someone starts a fight, no matter who it is, you just make damn sure to finish it.

I created this thread thinking of you. So happy you found it, buddy.

A+

+1

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/thread, basically. You just continue to grace us all with your virtual presence, I guess.

 

[Naoto Shirogane]

Guys. What the hell is this "Women are weaker than men" shitballs? There are women in this world who will pop a cap in your ass and not look back.

Women can be and ARE As strong as men. it's stupid sterotypes that ruin this.

If a girl comes up to you and start's beating on you. Fuck that bitch up. you have every right too. and if she sues or goes to the police. you have injuries to prove it.

There are many women who have done more than men ever will. infact Women are used for more than breeding, They are humans, as are men. Their is no weaker species.

So stop with the men > Women speeches. it's not only stupid but totally wrong

And I'm a man.

EDIT:

No it's not ok unless shes waving a knife or gun at the guy and he is genuinely fearing for his or a loved ones safety.

Men are (mostly) a lot stronger than women and they could easily over power one attacking them bare hand without having to hit if they really had to.
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I find this. Not only infuriating. but disgusting and insulting as well. It may seem like overkill. But a Women can easily kick a mans ass and Men while i admit started out biologically stronger. have long since fallen in line with Women in strength. Anyone who say's otherwize are totally wrong.

 

[Donald Trump]

I say otherwise. Men are physically stronger than women.
Real life isn't like the South Park episode in which Wendy kicks the shit out of Cartman.
That's not to say that any man is stronger than every woman, but an average man is stronger than an average woman, although terms like average aren't very specific.
I wouldn't hit a woman, if some chick started punching me, I almost certainly deserved it. Part of the reason would be because I would be worried about the social stigma. I also don't think I'd be able to respect myself if I punched someone who was about half a foot shorter than me and weighs about half my weight.
However I'd have no hesitation if I thought either myself or someone I cared about (a truly disgusting phrase) was in danger, but then the woman would have to have a knife or a gun.