Final Fantasy X HD Discussion

[NoctisVersusStella]

That's what will most likely happen Mel. But I'm hoping they will release an actual disc copy too, because I don't want to buy it from the PSN.

Seriously

You would rather lift your fat ass up and put the disc in the console wasting precious energy and 5 seconds of your life you'll never get back?

Anyway I can't wait download or not. I havent played this game in years, but last time I did it left me in tears.

EDIT: FFX was probably one of the greatest RPG's ever. But I think the only reason it's pegged back in the series is probably the battle system. To be honest it wasn't the greatest battle system for an RPG, in fact if they didn't have an amazing story with lots of twists, cool characters and a beautiful world then it would undoubtly be the worst FF.

I think they'll try and fix the battle system here with just a few tweaks to make it slightly better.

 

[GF-Lionheart]

Seriously

You would rather lift your fat ass up and put the disc in the console wasting precious energy and 5 seconds of your life you'll never get back?

I'm hoping this is sarcasm

I'd rather have a physical copy of my games, a copy that I can lend to friends or trade on once I'm finished with it, something that increases in value as it ages. I don't know if I'd buy it if it was a download off PSN (to be honest, it depends on whether or not it has trophies ) but I'd buy a hard copy regardless.
I also don't think that they would redo the graphics to vXIII quality, maybe XII but not Versus.

FFX was probably one of the greatest RPG's ever. But I think the only reason it's pegged back in the series is probably the battle system. To be honest it wasn't the greatest battle system for an RPG, in fact if they didn't have an amazing story with lots of twists, cool characters and a beautiful world then it would undoubtly be the worst FF.

Take away the awesome story, plot twists, cool characters and beautiful world and ANY game would be shit, not just FFX...

 

[Raiiyokuu]

Seriously

You would rather lift your fat ass up and put the disc in the console wasting precious energy and 5 seconds of your life you'll never get back?

Because we have something better to do in 5 seconds?

Please, don't start with that shit.

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It feels more satisfying to have a copy of the game in a disc, other than just staring a digital pixel-ized title on your screen.

I prefer having a disc copy, because it's MORE AUTHENTIC.

Think about it.

 

[NoctisVersusStella]

I'm hoping this is sarcasm

I'd rather have a physical copy of my games, a copy that I can lend to friends or trade on once I'm finished with it, something that increases in value as it ages. I don't know if I'd buy it if it was a download off PSN (to be honest, it depends on whether or not it has trophies ) but I'd buy a hard copy regardless.
I also don't think that they would redo the graphics to vXIII quality, maybe XII but not Versus.

Digital games are the future mate.

good point bout lending it to a friend, but aside from that friends tend to damage other people's propety (well mines do at least). Especially PS2 games they got easily scratched and sometimes needed a new copy if it doesn;t work after being cleaned. That is another thing btw when I first got FFX I bought it new and by the time I was like 100 hours in I needed another disc - waste of money. Sure it doesn't happen a lot with blu-ray discs but still downloadable games would be the better choice can't really see why SE would bother releasing it on a disc to be honest.

Take away the awesome story, plot twists, cool characters and beautiful world and ANY game would be shit, not just FFX...

Not really, games are for fun. Some people just play RPG's for the gameplay, if the gameplay is brilliant or different to other RPG's but it has a shit storyline, characters etc etc etc. It would still be successful as a game..

Because we have something better to do in 5 seconds?

Please, don't start with that shit.

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It feels more satisfying to have a copy of the game in a disc, other than just staring a digital pixel-ized title on your screen.

I prefer having a disc copy, because it's MORE AUTHENTIC.

Think about it.

"Digital games are ZHEE FUTURE"
Think about it.

 

[Rorolina Frixell]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a digital copy, when you consider...

Sly collection, GoW collection, MGS collection etc are hard disk and yet...

RE4 HD, BGAE HD RE: CVX HD are digital only...

Unless they combine it with X-2, I can't see it going to hard disk

 

[GF-Lionheart]

Digital games are the future mate.

good point bout lending it to a friend, but aside from that friends tend to damage other people's propety (well mines do at least). Especially PS2 games they got easily scratched and sometimes needed a new copy if it doesn;t work after being cleaned. That is another thing btw when I first got FFX I bought it new and by the time I was like 100 hours in I needed another disc - waste of money. Sure it doesn't happen a lot with blu-ray discs but still downloadable games would be the better choice can't really see why SE would bother releasing it on a disc to be honest.


Not really, games are for fun. Some people just play RPG's for the gameplay, if the gameplay is brilliant or different to other RPG's but it has a shit storyline, characters etc etc etc. It would still be successful as a game..

Try looking after your discs better. If you treat your discs like shit how is that a waste of money? I have games from PS1 that are stil in perfect condition. If they were digital downloads I wouldn't have them anymore because the games last longer than the console.

And yes, games are for fun, we found that out a long time ago. But give me an example of a game with great gameplay but shit everything else and yet, somehow, is a successful game.

 

[Martel]

And yes, games are for fun, we found that out a long time ago. But give me an example of a game with great gameplay but shit everything else and yet, somehow, is a successful game.

Anything made by Nintendo.

Unless they combine it with X-2, I can't see it going to hard disk

I think I'd stop all complaints if they did that. Seriously, FFX-2 deserves the same treatment...even if it's just a port, which this will probably be.

I'm a tad annoyed that people think updated graphics makes a re-released game a remake, but there we go. I for one wouldn't be satisfied with just that. They really should add in something worthwhile for those of us who slogged through the game the first time around. Square Enix have never been TOO bad with their remakes though, so if they really are remaking this, then I expect the same amount of additional content that was present in, say, FFIII and FFIV on the DS, to name the most prominent two to my mind.

 

[Rorolina Frixell]

Aye, i'd prefer it if they put both together, just like if they remade/remastered FF7 and co, i'd want the entire compilation, not just the main game, that's just lazy. I might not like much of the spin offs and shit but they're still a part of the whole no matter how much I don't want to accept that

Remake or Remaster though, i'll be content with FF10, I just wish/hope X-2 goes with it, for how much I couldn't take it seriously, least it's fun

 

[xX Katie-San Xx]

Almost 10 years ago I gotten the original FFX from my Dad for Christmas which I had a mad crush before it was released. It took me 9 months to beat that game. When I heard about remastering it in HD, I was like wth? lol I was gonna expect the unexpected.

If they do make in HD, I would like to suggest to add Tidus' name on the subtitles, fix the syncing of the voice acting, do something about the components of weapons and armor, and get the ultimate weapons easy than just tricks and games.

I spent 164 hours beating the game (problems near the finale), just hope this game be a bit easier.

 

[GF-Lionheart]

Where's the fun in obtaining the ultimate (celestial) weapons if they're easy to obtain? They're fine the way they are, irritating or not.

164 hours? Pfft, that's nothing, I put in 800 hours toward completely maxing out the Sphere Grid

 

[urrah]

I think I'd stop all complaints if they did that. Seriously, FFX-2 deserves the same treatment...even if it's just a port, which this will probably be.

Remake or Remaster though, i'll be content with FF10, I just wish/hope X-2 goes with it, for how much I couldn't take it seriously, least it's fun

I disagree, the less X-2 is referenced to the better. tbh a remake of X-2 would make me less inclined to buy the remake of X.

 

[GF-Lionheart]

I'm half and half on the X-2 debate. I hated X-2 with a passion, but the more I think about it, the more I want to play it

 

[Martel]

I imagine the success of X will determine whether or not X-2 receives the same treatment. I think the two games should be packaged together, but I'm not surprised that they haven't been announced to be, given how much Square Enix love to make customers pay extra when they really shouldn't have to.

If they DO port X-2 over (until I see some concrete evidence to tell me otherwise, I'm assuming they're just going to port FFX over in HD and, considering that every other PS2 game re-released has been given that treatment, I don't think that is an unreasonable assumption to make) I'd hope it'd be the Internation/Last Mission version though, because I've always wanted to try it.

 

[Steve-O]

I hope it don't come with FFX-2 because it meant to be just ten and i much rather them focus on X being remastered than trying to do two games at once

and how did they start talking about FFVII

 

[Crunchy Moogle]

It's interesting how they're creating an HD version for X, because I thought the graphics for that game are fine the way they are. VII and VIII would look drastically different, that's for sure.
Also, is it just the same thing but in HD, or are they greatly improving the graphics to look like XIII and XIV?

The 'lip synching' won't change. It was made to match Japanese and they just dubbed english voicing over the top for english versions. They'd need to redo the whole thing to match the english language, and that'd take too long/cost too much...

I have to disagree with you there. Final Fantasy XIII had English 'lip synching', so why would they cut corners for a remastered version, that's intended to make the game look better above all else? That's just silly. If they're going to be that lazy then I can't see a reason to buy it. The current pictures are hardly an improvement of the original anyways. As a customer that wants the best out of his purchase, I expect nothing less than improved animations and graphics, including English 'lip syncing' and preferably extra features. If they cannot achieve even that, which is the bair minimum for such a project which is eating up development time and money for future releases we've been waiting for (Verses 13, etc) then it is my responsibility to withhold my purchase. If I don't like what they have to offer, then I don't buy it so they'll hopefully not make the same mistake twice. Yes, it is economically healthy for both us as consumers and third party developers to not buy games at all if they don't achieve even a basic demand. I'm rambling, aren't I?

 

[GF-Lionheart]

Wow, there are so many things wrong with this post, I don't know where to start

It's interesting how they're creating an HD version for X, because I thought the graphics for that game are fine the way they are. VII and VIII would look drastically different, that's for sure.
Also, is it just the same thing but in HD, or are they greatly improving the graphics to look like XIII and XIV?

FFX is at the right graphics stage to re-render into HD, VII and VIII are way too far gone and would require to be made from scratch to be put into HD. This is the reason why the upcoming Metal Gear Solid HD Collection comes with the PS2 and PSP games but not PS1.

I have to disagree with you there. Final Fantasy XIII had English 'lip synching', so why would they cut corners for a remastered version, that's intended to make the game look better above all else? That's just silly.

^This^ is silly. Yes, FFXIII had English lip synching, it also took 6 years to create, I'm guessing that a lot of that time was used to dub the voices to the images in both English AND Japanese. Back when FFX came out, it was easy to get away with putting the English voices over the Japanese expressions to save money and cut development times.

As for the HD remaster, considering that they want a relatively soon release since it's marking the 10th anniversary for the game, I don't think they are going to waste so much time on such a relatively minor aspect of the game. It would cost a lot of money and time to make everyones mouth move to English voices. So not doing this is NOT 'cutting corners'

If they're going to be that lazy then I can't see a reason to buy it. The current pictures are hardly an improvement of the original anyways.

The picrues that were posted earlier WERE the original. Square Enix have not released any more information about the remaster since the announcement that it was being done, so noone has any 'post HD' screenshots yet.

As a customer that wants the best out of his purchase, I expect nothing less than improved animations and graphics, including English 'lip syncing' and preferably extra features. If they cannot achieve even that, which is the bare minimum for such a project which is eating up development time and money for future releases we've been waiting for (Verses 13, etc) then it is my responsibility to withhold my purchase.

If you want to 'withhold purchase' over such miniscule thing, by all means, do so. Noone else really cares.

Improved Animation won't happen, considering that it's only a remaster, not a rebuild. Improved Graphics are fairly obvious considering that it's being updated to HD standards. Lip Synching won't happen. Extra Features MIGHT happen, I only have hope that they could happen because it's an anniversary release, though.

This project will not 'eat up development time' for the other games to be released. This has been bought up many times before. They have different teams working on different projects. I doubt that all of their staff are all working on the same project at any one time.

If I don't like what they have to offer, then I don't buy it so they'll hopefully not make the same mistake twice. Yes, it is economically healthy for both us as consumers and third party developers to not buy games at all if they don't achieve even a basic demand. I'm rambling, aren't I?

Yes, you are rambling. If you don't like what they have to offer, don't buy it. It's that simple. But at least be thankful that they're willing to bring back a classic game for modern consoles even though they may not meet your 'basic demands'

 

[soldier first class]

How the hell did this thread turn into FFVII and how people want a remake and how much FFVII sucks and whatnot?

I personally love FFVII, and anyone who judges, well, fuck you. I understand why people hate all the spinoffs, I myself get annoyed by most of them. I enjoyed Crisis Core only, because I love Zack and wanted more of his story. I'd be lying if I said I didn't want a FFVII remake, but that's just me. It would take years to actually make the game, and if they don't do it, I'm fine with it, can we all just shut up about FFVII now??

I agree completely. I mean what's his face up there wants the world to move on and I could personally care less what he/she/it wants. None of that matters. And in the end if SE decides to end the story appropriately then let it happen. If you aren't interested don't buy it. If you have a problem with other people's opinions turn off your admin status and get a real job. Anyway, I think a final movie or another rpg would work out rather well for VII. Now on to X. Has there been any word on any changes other than graphics?

 

[Martel]

^This^ is silly. Yes, FFXIII had English lip synching, it also took 6 years to create, I'm guessing that a lot of that time was used to dub the voices to the images in both English AND Japanese. Back when FFX came out, it was easy to get away with putting the English voices over the Japanese expressions to save money and cut development times.

The pathetically short development time for FFXIII-2 would say that this is incorrect; it evidently does NOT take that long to lip-sync a game properly. They might not bother for FFX, and it's doubtful they will if it's just a HD port, but all the same, it doesn't take that long to lip-sync a game. If it took as long as you're claiming, XIII-2 wouldn't be coming out next year over here.

...either that, or XIII-2 will have terrible lip-syncing. I won't be surprised if this is the case, but until I see otherwise I'm going to say that they'll at least do a proper job on it, because that is just what is expected of developers these days, and there is already enough wrong with Square Enix, they're not going to deliberately add more fuel to the fire...probably.

As for the HD remaster, considering that they want a relatively soon release since it's marking the 10th anniversary for the game, I don't think they are going to waste so much time on such a relatively minor aspect of the game. It would cost a lot of money and time to make everyones mouth move to English voices. So not doing this is NOT 'cutting corners'

Relatively minor? Something tells me you've never played a game with off lip-synching before; it's extremely annoying, and the media and fan reviews alike will almost-always call the game in question out on it. Imagine the uproar if a high-profile game like this had off lip-syncing, you'd have fans of the original lining up to complaing about it, and rightly so, because in this day and age, there is no excuse whatsoever for it. You may not think much of it, but for a large number of people it detracts from the experience, and it shows a considerable lack of effort.

If Square Enix are as dedicated to quality as they seem to think they are - and if they have any sense left whatsoever - then they will most certainly take the time to lip-sync it properly.

This project will not 'eat up development time' for the other games to be released. This has been bought up many times before. They have different teams working on different projects. I doubt that all of their staff are all working on the same project at any one time.

If I had a quid for the number of times I've heard that from Square Enix regarding Versus XIII...whether it will or not is irrelevant though, because they'll never admit to it.

 

[GF-Lionheart]

The pathetically short development time for FFXIII-2 would say that this is incorrect; it evidently does NOT take that long to lip-sync a game properly. They might not bother for FFX, and it's doubtful they will if it's just a HD port, but all the same, it doesn't take that long to lip-sync a game. If it took as long as you're claiming, XIII-2 wouldn't be coming out next year over here.

...either that, or XIII-2 will have terrible lip-syncing. I won't be surprised if this is the case, but until I see otherwise I'm going to say that they'll at least do a proper job on it, because that is just what is expected of developers these days, and there is already enough wrong with Square Enix, they're not going to deliberately add more fuel to the fire...probably.

The short development time for XIII-2 would be due to the fact that they already have half of the game built from XIII. If they made it from scratch, I'd agree with you. Also, I've seen those trailers, and yea, it's pretty bad.

Relatively minor? Something tells me you've never played a game with off lip-synching before; it's extremely annoying, and the media and fan reviews alike will almost-always call the game in question out on it. Imagine the uproar if a high-profile game like this had off lip-syncing, you'd have fans of the original lining up to complaing about it, and rightly so, because in this day and age, there is no excuse whatsoever for it. You may not think much of it, but for a large number of people it detracts from the experience, and it shows a considerable lack of effort.

I don't watch their mouth when they talk anyway, I look at their eyes. Emotion is shown a lot better through their eyes than their mouths. So, to me, lip synching is such a minor thing.

If Square Enix are as dedicated to quality as they seem to think they are - and if they have any sense left whatsoever - then they will most certainly take the time to lip-sync it properly.

I don't care if they do or not. But if they take 3 years to do it, then I'll care because I would've waited for something I would barely have noticed. To be honest I'm just glad FFX has audible dialogue

If I had a quid for the number of times I've heard that from Square Enix regarding Versus XIII...whether it will or not is irrelevant though, because they'll never admit to it.

You'd probably have a quid or two. But it makes sense. At a supermarket, they have produce staff, butchery staff, checkout staff etc. Different people to do different jobs. I imagine it's be the same at SE, different teams to do different things.

 

[NoctisVersusStella]

Try looking after your discs better. If you treat your discs like shit how is that a waste of money? I have games from PS1 that are stil in perfect condition. If they were digital downloads I wouldn't have them anymore because the games last longer than the console.

And yes, games are for fun, we found that out a long time ago. But give me an example of a game with great gameplay but shit everything else and yet, somehow, is a successful game.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa johnny boy chillax!

Let's just get one fact out of the way: there really wouldn't be much difference between the two whether it's on a disc or on both disc and dl. I'm just saying discs are starting to become a thing of the past now, whether you like it or not. OK I was being sarcastic and sounding lazy lol - but after all one of the reasons for digital downloadable games or downloadable anything such as apps and shit is to make things easier and convenient for the consumer.

And yes, games are for fun, we found that out a long time ago. But give me an example of a game with great gameplay but shit everything else and yet, somehow, is a successful game.

I could give you a whole list. But just take a look around games nowdays aren't for their story, soundtrack, setting etc. It's all about shooting your friends on CoD.

One of the reasons for the downfall of FF recently take a look at FFXIII beautiful world (though linear), great story, great soundtrack but horrendous repetitive battle system. We'll see how FFXIII-2 does with the linearity fixed but I highly doubt it will be a massive hit.

Though linearity was a major problem, I don't see how fixing it will make the game a as good as the previous FF's like X. Main problem was the gameplay.