QuickSilverD
I Think... Therefore You Are
I'm perfectly okay with that. It's their choice whether or not they want to raise a child - it's a lot of responsibility and a huge step. If they just want to be together, that's a very respectable option.
Just as I expected, that was your opinion after all.
What is so bad about being attracted to the same sex?
Is unnatural, is not the way that things are suppose to be.
To me, as long as the child grows up with a good head on their shoulders, what does it matter which orientation their parents were? Heck, maybe a homosexual will discover a cure for cancer, or on a smaller scale, help you with your homework. Just because they are attracted in the not-so-common way doesn't mean they're badly influenced. What is this bad influence you speak of?
You didn't read what I wrote, basically I wrote "Gay parents increase the odds of kids to be gay" you can re-read it if you want.
QuickSilverD, you seem very traditionalistic to me - 1950's type of thought, no? Tell me if I'm right when I say: you believe men should be at work and provide for the family, be the one "wearing the pants in the family." Women stay home and make tea, look after the children, do laundry, and greet her husband with a kiss as he walks through the door after a long day, providing dinner and his newspaper, right?
You are right about me, I'm a traditional person, and I was raised in a traditional family, and all this women rights movement is all overated, you see, because women wanted to do everything that men do, they decided that they wanted to work too, now what's the deal, oh nothing much exept childrens are now home alone because both their parents are working, that or they are with a babysister intead of with their mothers.
That ideology has long since passed. Why? Women got pissed off because they were slaves for their husbands, with no voice of their own. As the economy changed, women needed to work outside the home, and even then they retained the previous duties as house and caretaker. You know all this I'm sure, the women's rights movement and all. But even then, men are higher up on the hierarchy than women. I hate it, but most men think of women as weaker individuals. May I ask your view on this? (This question's relevancy will become clear in one of my later posts.)
The choise.From Wikipedia. There have been studies published which have shown that once variables have been removed, pay for experience & education is virtually identical for men and women. This has highly advanced the argument that the pay disparity exists due to different choices and values that men and women consider in their career - men routinely accept more dangerous and higher paying careers than women while women typically choose to devote a substantial amount of their career path time to families and parenting (mommy track).
This is the point of view espoused in "The Wage Gap Myth" and in a recent installment of John Stossel's "Give Me a Break" and described in more many detail in the follow-up reference "'Gender Pay Gap' is pap".
The 'choice' theory is explored from a practical point of view in Warren Farrell's book "Why Men Earn More" (The Startling Truth Behind the Pay Gap - and What Women Can Do About It). Farrell has advocated the idea that "the power of money is not in its earning but in its spending", and has thus emphasized the fact that American women account for 80+% of consumer discretionary spending, which points to the existence of a massive transfer of wealth from men to women that is entirely over-looked by all studies based only on the analysis of wages -- in fact, it's obvious such a transfer is only sustainable if men earn more to begin with.
If you agreed with me on the previous paragraph, this next question is somewhat the same so ignore it - but if not, what gender roles do you feel are the 'correct' ones to be coming across?
OK, but take into consideration you asked for an opinion here:
Housekeeping, child education, men and women are expected to wear different clothes, males are expected to offer assistance to stranger females, the opposite is supererogatory, is the man who propose marriage to the female, and so others I guess I could list
But how do you know you're speaking for the majority of homosexuals? Do you personally know a homosexual couple to accurately reflect on their ideals, or are you taking a wild stab at what you think they're going for?
I telling you something basing myself in what I know and understand, and how I would expect them to act, regarless of their actitude but their orientation, which one way or the other will come to the table as soon as the child gets sefl awareness.
Yeah, they have 'gay pride' parades sometimes. A gay friend of mine thinks the whole thing is blown out of proportion, and he'll never be seen at one of those things. It just goes to show that again, not all homosexuals make their sexuality this central thing in their life - they're just people like we are.
I have not much against your friend then, but those who go around literaly screaming all out are ******.
Do you mean you're fearful that homosexual men will make women see you as a bit more feminine?
Well you could have found a nicer way to say that.
If two wo/men raise a child, the child will learn from their gender and their ideas - and even then can choose to reject or accept it as their own. Just because their dad isn't 'super macho' and encourage little Johnny to work with the power saw doesn't mean little Johnny won't get interested in power tools *chuckles* Likewise, dad could be a handyman and the son decide it's just not what he likes to do. Many women adore shopping, but a sizable amount can't stand it. Some women drink beer and obsess over cars - There are a lot of defiances to the general stereotypes - the child will react to the gender displayed.
Are you saying that having homosexual parents will in no way afect the way of thinking of the kid? I would like you to think that very well.
That you know of. As said earlier, many homosexuals hide it due to feeling ashamed or repressed. Fear even, because back a few decades, a homosexual was often brutally attacked or even killed. How do you feel about that?
That used to happen a long time ago, now with the law on their side there isn't much to worry about now, not saying that the discrimination has stopped but is no like if two homohaters find a gay guy they will run to him and kill him.
And what do I think of that that used to happen so long ago, well I may be against homosexuality but I'm not saying "hey! let's go out and kill many homos today" life is the most important and valuable thing, no one has the right to take that away from anyone
Agreed, we want our kids to go in what we feel is the right direction, but no one has sat down and told them which orientation to be, right? I've never heard of that being done, or a parent encouraging their little boy to look at playboy mags for the sake of enforcing a heterosexual outcome. Sexual orientation just isn't something parents think about until perhaps the teenage years, by then children are 'exploring and experimenting.' By this I really don't think the parents influence their child's orientation - the child discovers it on their own.
We don't do it, because we didn't feel the need to, we would let nature to go its way, but now a days perhas we should start doing so
Ah, the placebo effect. The mind is a powerful thing and can be fooled, but I don't think this and homosexuality can be related - to me, homosexuality isn't this ideal in your mind that fools you into merely believing one likes members of the same sex. I think this because, to believe one is gay, one has to know what homosexuality is and all or most of what comes with it. The problem with this though, is that children discover their sexual orientation early on, when they're not educated about such terms and details. They just know - have this feeling, that they're different from the current majority. Those who take placebos on the other hand, know about whatever illness or problem they have and believe the prescribed pill/injection/whatever will work.
Actually is the same thing, people who has ills think they will get better with the medicine, and sometimes they do, even when they really didn't took the medicine, the same goes for homosexual even if someone was not educated sexually in this society we life in is rather dificul to avoid that kids learn this from the popculture, the tv and what they see around them and all.
You have a point here, but even so, all may not share this point of view. Have you asked a homosexual this question - if they wanted others to be homosexual as well? And you didn't answer my question:a lot of the people who find themselves to be 'gay' become stressed over it - wish it wasn't so - cry about it and hate themselves for it. How then is this a choice?
And what happens with these people who hate themselves for being gay, sooner or later they "come out" and have no problems with it.
Mm, I still beg to differ. The world is too complex to be broken down into merely two groups, wouldn't you say?
What is so complex about it: guy like girl, girl like guy, they come together and have sex, is not so complicated.
Equal rights is a major root in the discussion though. Those who support equal rights will support gay marriage, as all are entitled to the same treatment, etc.
I guess I don't support equal rights them. Too much Liberty is the worse thing you can give a person, there has to be order.
Well I have told you, QuickSilverD. They help out big time in orphanages and save lives that would otherwise be lost due to ignorance or the incapability of providing the needed things. That can't be related to heterosexuality, as heterosexuals are the people that put the kids there in the first place. Hence, some heterosexuals abuse the attribute they've been givenjust because it 'feels good.' Homosexuals are then, in analogy, the pillows that soften the blow of the excessive misuse of intercourse.
There are many, many heretosexual couples out there who cannot have kids, they can deal with orphanages
I don't know. And no, my mother never talked to me about sex education. I got taught all that at school.
Is a shame that nowaday parents are such pussies like to talk with their kids about sex.
Er..I was on about what path they would choose, whether it be Bi, Gay, Straight..
You said it yourself it is choise. at least we agreed on that one
You seem to be deciding what I will be thinking, and you shouldn't really. Ok, say my child decides to be straight, however, my child does not have any children. My bloodline will also end there. Some people today decide not to choose to have children. That could happen with any child I have. They may just choose career over kids. Personally, I'm also leaning towards that way of thinking, choosing career over kids, because I believe I am not blessed with the ability to attract a man, get married to him, and have kids etc.
I'm not deciding what you will be thinking, I'm predicting it, basing myself in how I know we humans think